Episode 39 - Bonnie Widmaier | Premier Family Portrait Photographer - Part 1

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oh do you want to slate it for sure we

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were going to have like full on my

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favorite thing is probably the most

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recent usage

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of the Slate when the kid thought he

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broke it oh yeah with tkb

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yes oh oh uh that was uh Justin wasn't

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it yeah yeah K oh I broke it little

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little kid was sure to to to slate it

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cuz it was it's always fun to let the

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kid be interactive with it and he goes I

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broke it yeah cuz it slid a little bit

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well have a screw missing in it yeah so

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like the little tongue oh you set him up

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to fail I didn't mean to it wasn't

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intentional it was completely

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inadvertent but it was cute it was

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hilarious I got so tickled watching that

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back CU I wasn't privy to the interviews

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I was doing b-roll yeah so I missed all

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the interview bits and uh when when I

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saw that happen I see you

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Jennifer now we're going to draw

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attention to you exiting your facility

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welcome to Faith and Frames I don't

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actually know what ASR ASMR stands for I

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don't either but back back in the day

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before uh I started growing my actual

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YouTube channel I posted a couple of

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ASMR videos on what channel on YouTube

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thinking they go viral same channel no

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I'll never tell you the channel name but

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so are they still out there oh they're

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out there is it is your name attached to

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these videos nope ah nope so I can't I

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can't I I may have even watched these

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videos and I didn't realize realiz it

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was my wife typing on a keyboard

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interesting or my wife writing in a

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journal

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wow hot Asian wife Types on mechanical

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keyboard does that sound different than

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everybody interesting interesting yeah

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you'll never know you'll never know okay

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so good morning good morning welcome

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back to uh faith and Frames or afternoon

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wherever you're at wherever you find

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yourself in life we are at Blue Mountain

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Studio here in downtown G Vegas downtown

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G Vegas Greenville Tennessee continuing

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our framed series is what I'm going to

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just Loosely dub it sorry I didn't

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consult the board but we're going to

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call it the frame series let me ask them

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real quick yep board approves all right

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sweet got the thumbs up uh yeah so we

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have another local

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photographer Miss Bonnie hello good

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morning Miss Bonnie good morning it's

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great to be here thanks glad to you me

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yeah glad to have you here at Blue

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Mountain listen we we talked about it

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with Jennifer one of our favorite things

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because it's probably one of the most

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difficult things is to let someone

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figure out who's behind the camera

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because I can tell you one thing I am

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way more comfortable behind the camera

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than I am in front of it you know and so

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but I think it's really important

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because it's it's funny and you until

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you ever unless you've never searched

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for like a photo of yourself to use for

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something like maybe you Googled

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yourself or if you've never needed like

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a a good profile picture or needed to

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submit it for whatever reason you're

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like I don't have any good photos myself

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yeah it's twofold right like we're picky

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about the way we look y uh because we do

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it for a living right sounds like we're

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pretty vain two we end up taking photos

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a lot more frequently than we ever have

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photos taken of us very true absolutely

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so this is the uh the goal of this Frame

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series is to let people

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know who's behind the camera you know

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let some people in on uh on the person

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on that side behind the lens behind the

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lens hey that's a pretty good name too

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behind the lens I know I feel like

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that's already been taken behind the

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lens it sounds like it would already be

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taken well we're just going to keep

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going with the frame series I like the

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frame series for all of our fethers and

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framers out there but

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the meet and taters yeah so with this

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Frame series I always it's always

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intriguing for me to find out how

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everybody's everybody's journey is

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always different right so how how did

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you get into photography what's that

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Journey look like all right so ever

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since I was in high school I was like

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the documentarian for the friends okay

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loved it I've got like tons of photo

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albums like the little slide in the

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picture photo albums had a little flip

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up camera The Flash flipped up nothing

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fancy I never took any classes I just

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loved the idea of documenting yeah

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documenting life um and even like the

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little details of of our days

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andu um and also always had a love for

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art so I um went to school for art art

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education and um I have a BFA Bachelor

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of Fine Arts in nice painting very and

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art education degree nice wow okay so I

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started out at UCF in Central Florida in

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Orlando go horns cuz you're from Florida

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we just learned off camera yeah yes I am

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from Florida um yeah um Orlando is about

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three hours away from where I grew up so

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it was great far enough to be away right

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close enough to come home um loved my

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time there but also fell in love with a

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guy back

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home so um moved back home and finished

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school at fa a FL University

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Owls and

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um in between that time we we got

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married had started having

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babies so I finished I actually finished

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my last semester of school with a

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six-month-old wow I did my student

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teaching props to you yeah congrats with

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my babe and with much help from my

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husband and my mom absolutely takes a

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village yes and so

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life kind of threw me into being a mom

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more than ever being a painter or a

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teacher um and obviously being a mom too

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made me bring out the camera again y so

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um I needed to do something creative

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that was more instant yes um and this

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was still with film so it really wasn't

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that instant there we go not at all um

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but more instant than painting way more

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instant than painting you're speaking my

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language I didn't have the time to like

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set up the easel and get everything out

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and you know during nap time or

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something so painting went out the door

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oh that would have been cool and film

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was in the the Lord allowed me to stay

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home with my babies so um I didn't have

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to go into teaching right away or do any

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of that so camera came out nice and um

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what was it do you remember the first

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one you had it was a Nikon nice I don't

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remember what it was was but it was film

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nice and I knew really nothing about it

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it was always on um Auto yep and I'm

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going to guess an

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fm2 I I have it at home it's my guess oh

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she still got it I do got to get that

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thing out of the closet I do I do get

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that bad boy out yeah um but I just

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loved loved Lov so I I even loved

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scrapbooking so like my art you know

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just trying to do something creative um

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I would get my film developed at Costco

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M wow okay yeah yeah so um I kind of

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made a goal with myself to scrapbook

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what before I could get another role

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developed I had to scrapbook that the

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current role nice so this my son is 20

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so this was 20 years ago nice um and

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then so this was all still in Florida

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when we lived in Florida moved to

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Tennessee super lonely like we moved

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away from our family we lived out um in

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mosheim for a while and Moshe yeah well

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that's what I said when I first met

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they're like you're not from here that's

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what everybody says when they move

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in um so had more babies had my camera

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out more and more and that was that was

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just my creative Outlet right um

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eventually moved into um digital nice

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which was crazy I don't remember that

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first digital camera either so sorry oh

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no um was it also an icon it was I'm

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sensing the theme Here mhm are you guys

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Canon guys I am not brand loyal yeah

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Garrett Garrett dates them all I date

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them

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all um so the way that I fell into Nikon

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was my husband bought me my first

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digital camera and he got advice from a

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friend of his that was huge Nikon guy

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yep so that's how it all worked out and

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I've never tried anything else so

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there's something to be said for that

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though yeah you're probably a master of

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that well so I that tool I think it's

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difficult once you specifically if you

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start with something and you learn

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something you learn these menus you

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learn this camera buy you're also going

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to start to buy glass yep yep then you

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start to look in like if for whatever

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reason if you get a wild hair and you

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think about switching cameras you're

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like oh that's going to be pretty

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expensive yeah I've got all I don't

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remember the Nikon mount but you've got

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all this Nikon mount glass yeah I mean I

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don't have a whole lot of 35 mimet

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that's my fave it's on all the time ah

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okay so I don't have a whole lot of

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other stuff I don't have a whole lot of

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gear but um you don't need it if you've

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mastered what you've got yeah absolutely

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I'm also intimidated to learn new things

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so true see I'm creater of habit I am

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I'm not a good learner so so I've got a

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couple degrees I would beg to differ

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yeah but you learn photography I think

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cuz I don't feel like I have the time

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yeah so so well you learned photography

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and it sounds like for the most part you

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were uh you were you kind of self-taught

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in that particular yeah so I mean I went

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to school for art so learned like the

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basics of Art and composition and color

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theory and all that kind of stuff um but

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the photography aspect I've never taken

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a photography class wow the exposure

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triangle was new to you but you had

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fundamentals because all those things do

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translate oh yeah colors are still color

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theory specifically is wildly transl

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still composition y um uh yeah it's just

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a matter of learning how to manipulate

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that exposure triangle which it it truly

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can be daunting that's kind of confusing

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at first so the first digital camera

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that uh Dave that's my husband bought me

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um I was like yes thank you um I was

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like oh gosh this is too nice and too

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expensive to keep it on just Auto so I

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found like a mom's and cameras Class A

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there you go some courses yeah followed

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somebody online that I loved her work um

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and it was more documentary style it was

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what I loved and um so I went to

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Chattanooga for a weekend and did like a

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little class with her um and it was all

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like just newbies trying to figure out

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their cameras yes so she taught us all

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the exposure triangle and did you go

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straight to manual there or did you go

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after priority we uh aperture priori

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that is the easiest step yep that is a

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perfect actually you can still get say

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as a working professional I still shoot

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it sometimes I was going to say I shoot

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fter when yes when it's not my family I

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shoot it yeah aperture priority on so

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much faster so much faster still

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manipulating ISO all the time different

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things but um it works great for me oh I

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was going to say like you the the cool

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thing about it is like you have the

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knowledge and understanding of how to

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fully manually manipulate things but

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like you also have the wisdom to know

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that you don't have to at all times yeah

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like there are sometimes where

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efficiency are also a great thing yeah

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and because I try to lean more towards

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the documentary type you're firing off

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things happen yeah I want I want to be

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ready all the time to be Tak taking all

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those little in between shots so um so

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yeah that's where you learned started in

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film then got your first uh digital

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camera took a class took a class got out

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of Auto yeah and just kept taking

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pictures of my own babies and then as I

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started meeting other moms with young

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kids I'm like hey let me practice on

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your babies your kids and so then you

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know we come in the backyard and we'd

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practice and whatever and have fun and

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then all of a sudden like I never

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thought that I would have a photography

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business like that was never a dream

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when did you make that transition yeah

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when did you when did you make it a

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business it kind of like just rolled

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into happening so all of a sudden people

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were like hey can you take pictures

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pictures of my family that is such a

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natural progression it's like well I

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don't know what to charge for that or

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how to do that or part of that so sure I

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guess I can um my husband runs a

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business he was a great resource in

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figuring all that out um but yeah you

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know charge $35 for a

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session so I did a lot of that for a lot

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of years

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um for a lot of years I've been doing

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this for probably

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it's been probably 11 years since I

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first took money from someone but like

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$35 you know yeah but at that point in

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time you're a working professional yeah

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maybe I don't know um well by definition

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absolutely Yeah by definition you're a

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working professional at that point time

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but yeah I the more I got into it the

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more I realized I was not prepared to

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run a business and that is still

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probably the hardest part for me by far

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well it's cuz you're an artist yeah as

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an artist much the art brain not the

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brain we we've talked about that quite a

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bit it's it's a challenge cuz I

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mean the artist side wants things to be

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so creative so expressive and you'll do

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it you'll you'll pay if you have to do

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it but the business side brain's like no

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no we we have to be able to eat it like

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hurts me sometimes the business the

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business side um it is by far the

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hardest part for me so yeah um well so

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if I'm listening to the timeline though

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uh you've you've been

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taking money you said uh for photography

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for 11 years but you started taking

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photos 20 years ago so that means you

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were learning crafting and honing skills

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for n years for nine years mhm uh that's

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something that we talked about that uh

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with Jennifer a bit right and it's

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something that I think is really

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important and it's I think it's

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important to to to do that free and

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even heavily discounted right work

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because you're you're learning and even

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when I was charging $35 it was because

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pooper like please let me pay you

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something tips at that point

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absolutely I still wasn't sure anybody

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should be paying me to do any of it you

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know so um that was but I think that

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kindness yeah but I think that shows

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that you cared about your craft enough

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and and you still understood that you

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were in your learning process I think a

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lot of times it's it's so easy to and we

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see it all over the nation and and

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within this Niche specifically like

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there are some people who I would say

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may jump into charging a little too

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early yeah you know because it's very

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tempting it can be a very lucrative

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industry um even as a beginner uh to go

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out there and and start charging for

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work but I would encourage again

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beginners and I think I mentioned this

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even in in Jennifer's episode spend some

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time honing practicing because the

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minute you start charging is the minute

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that you are putting yourself under the

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microscope mhm yeah and

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come come good or bad yeah good or bad

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like you're putting yourself under the

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microscope I think you got to I think

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you got to crawl yeah before you can run

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yeah I cane with that all those things

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and one of the like to me uh those first

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few sessions right where you're not

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taking photos of just your family right

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you're like there's pressure or at least

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there was for me and it's like you do

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not need that pressure yes there is

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there is uh Bonnie you're the queen of

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family photography there's no there's no

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pressure for you oh yeah there is

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Les but like if you care like if you

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genuinely care like it's always there

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well and I think that's for me that's

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part of it because it is I care so much

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yes like it's it is my art it's part of

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what is my being so what I'm trying to

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do for this family it's important to me

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so I want it to I want it but starting

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out I guess to Circle back on that it's

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like you don't need that added variable

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of a dollar pressure oh still sometimes

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I'm like oh I wish I could just do this

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and not yeah not charge any money

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because you could you could be more

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creative or or whatever you can try

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things yes but um it actually I mean

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when my kids were little I probably

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needed the money more because I needed a

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babysitter and um you know there I was

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away from them so somebody needed to be

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with them and that that's a hard balance

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to it is to find so that was a lot of

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what my my husband and I talked about

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like if you're not going to be with the

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family what is this what does it cost

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yeah you know to what's it to makeen to

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make it work yeah so how did

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you so I we I've already I've already

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gotten some nuggets uh in this

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discussion so far but how did you

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ultimately end up at the style

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photography that you find yourself

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shooting and enjoying the most today um

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on the outside looking in

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you seem to be a family photographer yes

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right family photographer and Senior

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photographer yes so how did you how did

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you end up finding that as essentially

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your Niche yeah so family probably is

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where I started and then it's moved into

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senior work too but um you have

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blatantly stated that you don't do

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weddings I saw that in a recent post but

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you did do a cool wedding session I did

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it was super fun and super creative and

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but no pressure of actual wedding so we

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actually went to school with the the

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well one one of the the people in that

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couple that you shot yeah Tiffany

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Tiffany very so that's cool that's a

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cool she's amazing so um it was super

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fun she reached out and said will you do

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this and I'm like uh yeah if there's no

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pressure of the actual like wedding day

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the actual wedding day yeah getting that

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first kiss yeah don't have to worry

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about my SD card failing and losing

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everything I get too much way too much

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pressure for me same and I've done a few

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here there um like for friends and

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family and just the whole aspect of like

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you end up being the wedding coordinator

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too and the time person and the you it's

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just it's just too much for me um but it

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was super fun to change things up a

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little and and shoot to me and AJ so end

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it up with family so yeah so family and

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I think my main you know when I started

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it was obviously my kids were my muse

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yeah yeah um but

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it turned into more of like I didn't

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want them to look at me like I wanted to

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capture like their chubby little toes as

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they stood up on their toes to reach

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into the toy box candid moments yes the

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more candid moments and um and then as I

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started taking pictures from my

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friends I wanted the mamas to be in the

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pictures really bad and well you had

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that perspective that was yeah that was

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important to me I'm like nobody needs to

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be dressed up just come bring your kid

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to the backyard and I want you to be in

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the pictures too yep so that was

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important for me for the just the aspect

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of moms being in pictures with their

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families and um and just being really

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authentic and true to what you would

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normally wear and what they how you look

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at your house on a Tuesday yeah yeah

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that's that was important to me and you

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know looking as a kid looking back at

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the pictures that my parents have yeah

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those are my favorite

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ones it's like oh that's the couch and I

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can like you can like smell the couch

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when you're looking at the pictures and

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that's um I remember what the kitchen

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floor felt like under my feet and

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different things like that you remember

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how that couch smelled yeah yeah

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seriously it's that's that's what is

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so powerful with a photo and and like I

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love you know when you you actually you

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know get dressed up you put effort

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specifically into a session there's

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something for that but there's also like

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such

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great I mean I hate to overuse the word

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power but like literally

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documenting the well not necessarily the

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Munday but the average the everyday

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because and if I if I could really do

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that always that's what I would love to

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do and I can see that in your work that

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that's what you enjoy that is for sure I

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I think too though even in like family

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sessions like I remember um so Melissa

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henkins who we've had here on the on the

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podcast very good friend of ours you

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shoot with mail a lot now um incredible

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um some of my favorite images from our

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we did a family session with her a while

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back some of my favorite images from

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that set Were Us not even posed it was

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her just documenting our candid moments

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of us screaming at the kids trying to

22:18

get them to line up the right way and

22:20

like those are so hilarious cuz L Buster

22:23

my youngest he's there picking his nose

22:24

in one of them and like that's just who

22:26

he is totally that's just who he is he

22:27

picks his nose like he's a booger eating

22:29

dude if I see a kid picking their nose

22:31

I'm always snapping snap well those are

22:33

my favorites though cuz that's real life

22:35

it's real life but

22:37

and you can even months down the road

22:40

you can appreciate that but like think

22:41

about years down the road how you're

22:43

going to appreciate that well that puts

22:45

you back in like so back in the day and

22:49

there's this big push even on the video

22:50

side like nothing was recorded or

22:55

photographed with the purpose of like

22:58

social media wasn't a thing he was

23:01

literally capturing this moment just to

23:03

document this beach trip just to

23:05

document this camping trip just to

23:06

document your first birthday where you

23:08

literally like look like a birthday cake

23:12

because you sat in you smashed your face

23:14

in all these things but it was but it

23:16

puts you in that because it was raw it

23:17

was authentic they didn't care about

23:19

lighting like it was literally just just

23:22

the documentation of that and so there's

23:25

something that

23:27

immediately brings you back to those

23:30

moments where you had the was it you

23:32

that mentioned the uh the the photo

23:35

books right yes yeah album my mom had

23:38

the same thing we wore ol and Mills out

23:40

y oh yeah um and all of our listeners

23:43

that don't know what Olan Mills is just

23:45

Google it Google it Google it that's how

23:46

you got photos back in the day actually

23:49

that that's a little bit part of my

23:50

story too uh Kmart had an ol Mills when

23:54

we first moved here Kmart had an ol

23:56

Mills yes it did I love photography

23:59

hadn't had my kids photographed we went

24:01

to kmar Olan Mills been there a few

24:03

times we all left crying

24:06

yep was trying to get she was trying to

24:08

get my three-month-old to lay on the

24:10

back of my three-year-old and it was not

24:12

going to work and we all left crying so

24:14

I was like okay I'm going to do this

24:16

different and that's when I realized

24:18

really truly like documenting the days

24:21

and the authenticness of the day is

24:23

where really where my joy was my nana

24:26

still has four years uh specifically

24:30

that I remember on her wall of ol and

24:31

Mills Family Photos and I know in one I

24:34

was in fifth grade about to be sixth

24:35

grade my mom had just horribly cut my

24:38

hair sorry Mavis it was bad everybody

24:41

has a bad haircut ol Mills picture

24:43

exactly but I'm I'm in a I'm in a green

24:45

sweater I was I was fed up I was so fed

24:48

up I had my arms behind my back I was

24:49

like I don't want to be in this family

24:50

photo now I look at it I'm like that is

24:52

hilarious seeing that again cuz I can

24:54

instantly put myself back in that mood

24:56

that I was in with my Mavis bow C listen

24:58

that's something that speaks to the

25:01

power of our memories though like you

25:03

you mentioned something that kind of

25:05

resonated with me and and honestly even

25:07

like music can do this for

25:09

me I hear a certain song or I see a

25:13

certain photo and you said you could

25:14

smell the couch it's a sense of

25:16

nostalgia but like you you you

25:18

immediately are like right back so

25:22

vividly you're so right back there in

25:24

that moment you're like oh man I can I

25:27

can literally smell the inside of that

25:29

cupboard you know like whatever I can

25:30

smell the inside of that

25:32

Kmart as you walk by the cafe to get to

25:35

the ol and meals yeah absolutely but

25:38

like that's so that's so powerful uh and

25:42

and that's that's my goal is that when

25:45

the families look at the pictures that

25:46

they yeah that it does take them to a

25:49

place or makes them feel something yeah

25:51

so that's always my goal too like right

25:53

you know do I want you to enjoy the

25:55

photo once you see it delivered

25:58

absolutely but I'm also like got I've

26:01

got theought in my mind of like no I

26:03

want I'm thinking 15 years down the road

26:05

when yall pull these out of some trunk

26:08

or something right I don't know how

26:09

we're going to hopefully yeah well

26:11

absolutely yeah well so gone or the day

26:14

unfortunately of pulling the trunk of

26:16

Kmart sleeves out oh my go that have all

26:18

all the 4X sixes in them yeah and 5 by

26:21

sevens I mean I I hope that we will and

26:24

20 years from now have something I P out

26:26

of my parents house so are you are you a

26:28

this is a this is a big topic are you a

26:29

big printer big advocate for printing

26:31

your work absolutely absolutely

26:35

now so with my pricing I have like a a

26:39

digital package and then a package that

26:40

comes with an album okay and and some

26:43

prints and that's really that's the one

26:46

you want people to get that's the only

26:47

one I want people to get listen

26:49

you there's something a feeling I want

26:52

them to have something tangible at the

26:54

end not just a new Facebook profile

26:56

picture right so this is this this is an

26:58

interesting subject because and you're

26:59

going to kill me for this so I've been

27:01

photographing since 2017 and it wasn't

27:05

until last year that I printed a photo

27:08

of mine so that was six years worth of

27:13

shooting I think there's some like some

27:15

of my personal work it is hard for me to

27:17

print it is but once I finally did then

27:20

it's like uh and you feel it it's like

27:22

oh my gosh cuz it does it takes you back

27:24

to those 5 by sevs and those 4X sixes

27:27

that you pull out of the trunk Kmart

27:28

sleeve and I was holding a piece of work

27:31

that I did mhm and I was just like wow

27:34

this is the best doing this yeah this is

27:36

the best feeling I've ever had in

27:37

photography and it wasn't a a wonderful

27:38

picture by any means like it was pretty

27:41

mundan something tangible I think it

27:42

becomes I think it becomes a lot more

27:44

art at that point it does to like you

27:46

know the the switch is literally flipped

27:48

at that point like oh no this is Art

27:49

like it it it's always art but like that

27:52

slaps you in the face when you see your

27:53

print you know I feel the same way when

27:54

I get negatives back from the lab like

27:56

whenever F32 sends me my my sleeve full

27:59

of negatives back um it's that same

28:01

feeling you I'm holding them up to the

28:02

light and I'm just like it's a real

28:04

piece of silver with an image on it you

28:06

know and that's that's what I hope the

28:08

clients think too when I have something

28:10

to hold like oh this is Art this is

28:13

important this is this is why I invested

28:15

in this