Episode 40 - Bonnie Widmaier | Premier Family Portrait Photographer - Part 2

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how how long how long cuz I actually I I I love

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the way you process your images yeah I was want to talk about that they they they have a very Timeless

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and filmic quality about them how did you how long did you uh and it's

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something that I feel like doesn't actually have a destination either because you're always like tweaking right you're always subtly refining your

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look but how did how long did it take you before you landed it the way that you process work today well thank you

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for saying that because I feel like that is one of the things that you I'm constantly

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like judging myself on whatever critiquing myself like is so my main

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goal is that I do hope that in 20 years it'll still look it'll look classic it

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won't look over edited of course when I first started with my digital and you put it into um Lightroom or photoshop or

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whatever it wasn't even that it was what what's on a oh uh that iMovie and

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photoo and like you enhance the you're cranking everything everything is like crazy enhance col are crunchy um so I

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can look back in that and be like oh um that I cooked that one a little bit I

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cooked it yeah it's those greens are real bright they're nuclear um

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but once I started really working on like loving the documentary type photos

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and stuff I just really wanted it to look and feel like something Timeless yeah so um yeah I've been working on

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that for a long time and still continue to like be like I mean I've asked Mel like I have a

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couple other photographers and I'm like check me on this if things are starting to look weird right let me know let me

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know like you know you you're looking at something so for so long yeah you don't see all the little things that may be

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going like weird with it yeah so there's there's a couple photographers that I've just reached out to them and been like

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if this is looking a little off the coloring off or something yeah let me let me know I want

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it I want it to be as true to life as possible I think that speaks so highly on you though because you may not know

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this this may be new information to you but you're sitting with two what I would call super fans y of your work um but it

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it absolutely makes me even more of a Super Fan to know that as what I would call the goto for family sessions and

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and the stuff that you do that you still have have the the wherewithal the humbleness humility whatever you want to

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call it to still consult with people and say hey like where where's this going that's something that you know we talked

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with Jennifer um in in her episode about like being approachable and things like that oh that's a whole yeah that's the

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whole we've got it's a whole another subject but the fact that you're going to other people again as what I would

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call a a top dog um in our industry like dang that's rad I do not feel like

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that's top dog at all nobody ever does though I'm always I mean imposter syndrome like it creeps in so bad I mean

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pretty much weekly you know like oh yeah one day and be like oh okay this is why

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I'm a maybe I know what I'm doing here a little bit and then like the very next day like I am a worm like you're just

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yeah I think I think a lot of times that's with just artists in general it

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we second guess a lot but I do I respect you high for that and again like as a as a super fan over here um especially now

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that I know the backstory from you know your film background your your personal family documentation I now know why I

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see what I see whenever I'm looking at your family sessions yeah uh from other families I'm like okay this is the story

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behind Bonnie style and I've always described your style to other people as I would call it comforting it's a very

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it's it gives me a sense of nostalgia yep I almost feel at times like you're shooting on film cuz it is so filmic and

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I'm like this is this is lovely this is what I enjoy thank you the uh the the

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thing that I've noticed too is without realizing and hearing you say the words

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because uh I just now learned that but like you said that your favorite is docu just basically documenting right and so

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that kind of answers a question that I had I Garrett and I've talked about this

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before I would consider myself a picture taker MH as opposed to what I guess I'll

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just Loosely call a picture maker for instance and what I mean by that

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is if you have like list of attributes and I'm listing out my attributes of strengths and weaknesses I would call

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posing a weakness of Mine by by far like I I don't know I get for whatever reason I get great anxiety I can have 27 poses

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in my mind for this senior session I'm about to go shoot then I do about two and well then I on the drive home you're

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like man yes all these other ones I do but what I what I what I take what I what I take away from all

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the sessions is most of my favorite work of mine is is is it's the candid moments

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that weren't posed it was the in between moments where I'm still firing off you didn't realize it but you guys just made

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gold in front of this camera you thought you were like well like you're two-year-old you thought it was over you

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know yeah those are the moments that I I would call that picture take because you're you're you're capturing the

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moment as a and the people who are really good at posing like they they're Wizards too because Jennifer for example

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that's what she does is she poses people here in here in the studio I think there's a for what I

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do that is not full documentary there is a a balance between

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the both yes because there's people come and they're like I don't know what to do

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I do talk through a lot of poses but it's more like I would say prompts to get them to

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feelable to just um enjoy their family like so my main thing is I want to I

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want to capture your connection to each other not your connection to my camera that's always it's like so don't feel

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like yet you know and every parent's going to be like look at the camera look at the camera I'm like no you don't actually have to look at the camera

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don't have to at all like I could care less if you do the entire time I usually try to get at least one picture

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look get that one for Grandma andas y but for the rest of the time I'm

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like I could care less if you look at the camera I want to be a fly on the wall and I want to capture your's person I can tell Melissa has spent a lot of

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time with you CU she was that way with our family session um you know she it was very playful yeah um to and

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especially with the kids you know our kids are I get the kids a little too riled up but that's the thing but it it

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works for them cuz kids and this is something that I know just from documenting the lives of kids um they

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have a very small threshold for how long dad can have a camera in their face yeah so the more that I can be kind of

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elusive and and behind the scenes and more documentary with family life like the better my family images turn out

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because kids they just they don't care they don't want to be posed right they just want to live life and I think the

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with your own family the less you ask them to pose the better like they're getting it if you're always like hey

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look at the camera look look look then they're going to be so over it well then you're just the weird dad with the

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camera at all times and admittedly that's probably me I mean the other thing for me which I think stems from

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like wanting mom's wanting to document moms in pictures is wanting them to feel

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seen yes so and then I think that turned in also to my senior work so just

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wanting people to feel like they've they've been seen and understood

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that I could capture who they really are M yeah the kid picking their nose like I

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I tell the kids all the time I'm going to talk to you the whole time we take pictures so you just I'm going to ask you questions and you just keep talking

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to me yeah so um and and I tell the parents that too because a lot of times

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they're like no just stand still just smile just stand still and I'm like no it's okay that they talk yeah and I'm I

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mean thank goodness it's not film oh yeah absolutely because I'm just snapping away the whole time oh so

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you're a machine gunner yeah but you have to be because you're documenting you're documenting so you have to be and and I love it like I mean

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I could do a session a family session could easily have 200 pictures abut like

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final edited pictures oh wow okay that's a big deliverable yeah that iser I mean

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I Tred I triy to get it down to 150 because I feel like it's over to the client but I could easily probably give

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him 200 so like so again as a as I'm lucky to have 200 usable images oh well

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I probably took 2,000 so well that's so that's that's that's what I was going to say like as a as a self-proclaimed

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picture taker M and you are searching for those moments inevitably what that means is you shoot almost the whole time

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essentially right so that you do get those moments High spe burst mod is your friends oh absolutely yeah if yeah it's

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it's well so here's the thing like and and I'll even this is probably

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crazy but I'll even burst like the posted family bits because you never know when Timmy's going to close his

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eyes Billy's going to close hisou all these it's like you need to have those heads right even though it's static yeah

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no I'm I'm snapping absolutely and it's like so that's the importance of of you

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know I guess what they'd call motor driving there yeah you're going to be burst you're going to take a lot but the

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the trade-off of that is you're going to get those moments well you get those moments and then at that point in time you've got a lot to choose from that's

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true options as the editor and I just you know even if they're just slightly

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different like just a little tiny Nuance like I'm thinking oh well maybe mom's going to like that one a little more

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than that one and I don't want to to choose give her both yep the Personality yeah uh so I think I think I would like

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to segue here uh and talk about you you you briefly mentioned it uh I want to

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talk about the importance of of investing in education Mentor did you

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have a mentor I did not you did not have a mentor but you bought education you you you bought I purchased some

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education and I did some like actual physical education where I went there and it was for a weekend but I kind

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that's the kind of learner I am too like I needed her she was an ncon shooter so she like literally was showing everyone

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okay the buttons are on the right the buttons are on the left and wow she's shown you the ins and outs of the tool

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yes that you're using yes well it was specific to her awes the tool the tool you're using so there's no guess work so

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that part was great and then I've done a couple quite a few online courses that I've paid money for that um have been

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amazing that I could do on my own time and would totally recommend right um so

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I think there's something to those inperson events though uh I I personally I'm a very Visual and Hands-On learner

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you know like I do get value from video courses and stuff like that but it's like man to to to literally be I don't

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think I'd be where I was am right now if I didn't go to that class oh yeah for sure one benefit of that is like you you

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can't pause and ask a video like the question you have on your brain right then verus in person uh yeah not seeing

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yeah in person you can literally raise your hand and say hey real real quick like how do I do XYZ or you know any

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question that you have um the beauty of online and you can do it on your own time um I'm certainly a Hands-On learner as

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well like I I love shadowing I love being on location um literally in the

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trenches um learning I think that's fun and I think that that was super important for me for my first class like

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for it to be hands on and be right there with her in person and um so well but

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you had shot film so you knew speed right so you knew your ISO variable a little bit uh and you you you'd seen you

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know that sort of thing but uh it's it's it's a lot like da it's it's

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it's pretty daunting like even with current tech and and and as good as mirrorless cameras are and all these

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things like you've still got to know a pretty good amount of technical foundation and it can be a lot I

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think I think for me the benefit of having the art background then I could

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uh I could learn I could be taught the technical background the technical stuff

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yep um sometimes I'm not always sure it's the other way

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around um there's there's certainly something to be said for technical

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versus artistic because there are plenty of people out there who for example the

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guy who built your camera may not be able to actually operate your camera cuz on the assembly line he's just

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assembling a microchip into your camera right so he built a camera he knows all the technical as aspects of your camera

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but he can't actually use it well even like the user guide that somebody typed that up they don't

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know they don't know what it's going to do in a family session when you've got five three year olds running around like but you the artist understand that and

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you through experience have come to understand that sure um which I think it

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I would say it's probably easier for an artist to learn the technical side of things than vice versa yeah I would

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agree I don't know any other way but I would agree as well um and when you asked about mentors I've had a quite a

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few people um that we bounce ideas off all the time and um I was gonna say you

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Melissa Giggle and braid hair like twice yes Mel and I we we hang out all the time um Katrina Serene she has been an

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amazing support for me here especially in Greenville cuz when it's hard to uh make your name I was the kid that was

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from South Florida that nobody really wanted to talk to well yeah so

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um you know she just she but she was never that way yeah she was amazing and

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always Katrina has been supportive for a long time she actually did Mon and s's uh engagement photos a long time ago

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yeah she I mean she's the OG of been doing it for a while been doing it for a while and but has been as more and more

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photographers have come into the area I feel like she is just yeah always super supportive amazing um so I would say

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she's one of my biggest cheerleaders here in Green County So and I've run

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into some other things that were not quite as nice yes I think we've all definitely listen you're always going to

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have trolls you're G to have some Richards and I just I want to be I want to be like how Katrina was to me some to

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to Mel to whoever um I don't feel like Mel needs my help but listen I I think it can be a simple

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I think I think tons of people can help tons of other people and in way that may not

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even be like well just being a cheerleader absolutely I was going say just encouraging likeing being a piece

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of poop just being nice well so like here's one thing too like it's one thing to get feedback from a client but when

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you can get feedback from someone else who knows like the ins and outs cuz they

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can they can speak a little they can speak on a different level right like absolutely listen on this

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set greens were a little you know what I'm saying like they can get granular with you and that's something that you

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need to hear yeah you need that feedback from like I don't know what was different but your highlights were just

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not quite there was something off you know what I'm saying like you can abut that feedback um is

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is so invaluable absolutely and that's something that other

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photographers fellow artists can give you that a client really right never could they're going to give you good

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feedback in the sense of like I love the work it's going to be more generalized right but like if you're going to like

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in uh continually increase your skill set and continually get better it's

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going to be through getting those pieces of feedback from other peers right well peers that are actually open to it and

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again that's one thing that I appreciate you for um people like Mel people like the nuns Scott Henry like people just

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even in our local photographers group I feel like we have a good group of people who are willing to share that

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information with each other yeah for I mean for example again previous episodes when we were talking to Jennifer uh she

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had the nuns come out to the airport to shoot her Mo her motorcycle session something that's not in their element

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that is not their discipline they are wedding photographers through and through but we recounted the story at

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the China Buffet Meetup that we had where Jessica was wanting to practice different types of Photography Y and and

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Jennifer you know subsequently was able to help her scratch that itch because she's like hey come shoot my motorcycle

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session awesome so that that's the that's the type of stuff that the community needs needs yes in order for

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everybody to thrive and and raise each other up um that's how we all get better is with stuff like that and I love that

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I love that about the community I think about that saying about um I won't say

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it exactly right but lighting someone else's candle will never make yours dimmer Bingo and bingo that just makes

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so much sense to me that might be the title of this episode all the uh what is it all the ships rise When the tide

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comes in rise with the tides um so yeah that's that's something that and I I I

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hate that I've had this like brought up to us but recently I've learned that I

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don't know if it's hesitation or if it's a perception that's just off but you know a lot of times people will

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say I don't really feel like you were approachable maybe you just look like a bully do you ever think about that it's possible I don't want to be though like

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maybe you're very intimidating like truly if I know anything today I know it because I asked somebody at some point a

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question right so I got it from somewhere right I'm more than willing to

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share it right because again it elevates everything right everybody grows at that

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point and so yeah I I think it's so important to to to help beginner

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photographers but see like I'm always really really hesitant like if I see a beginner starting out and they're

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making mistakes I'm so hesitant to like reach out and say Hey you know maybe

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consider consider trying this next time yeah um now I I know difference if they reach

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out and say hey right right tips it is it is it is I personally again I grew up

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playing sports and being coached and sometimes coached really hard I personally would have been okay with

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that had a photographer reached out to me but I also know that not everybody's like Jared and so I that may not be well

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received but it's one of those things where that person may be asking the question but they just don't feel don't

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even know how to ask the question that's true too I've got a great place for that you go to any like film photography page

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and join that bad boy they will chime in with any amount of information that you do or do not want cuz I'm in all of them

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there's some real people feel like they can give their opinions about everything oh yeah

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film photography there's there's some groups and I I know it's just some old Richards in there who are waiting

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waiting for somebody to like underexpose oh that that portrait 400 that they paid

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$27 a roll for listen you don't want to underexpose film no but I'm just saying like the the photography groups they'll

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give you info whether you want it or not get you can get by with underexposing a digital image to to a degree but not not

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with film yeah yeah film's less forgiving on the shadow side um but like so that's something that when I joined

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the photographers group in Greenville I was blown away cuz a didn't know it existed but

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when I found it and I saw it I was like gosh there's over 200 members I didn't know there were over 200 photographers but then I got the thing I was like and

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then I was scrolling the active which we're trying to change right we're trying to change that that was something that such a welcome thing when you

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started doing the weekly promps I was like yes yes yes let's pour into this um

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and so what started that so well one of our one of our dinners I'm do a meet up

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and you'll be a part of that conversation well yeah I know I've got to work on that I'm an introvert dude actually Jared likes his heel I home to

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be a prompt that would get people taking pictures not looking through the archives right

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so called out D gone it uh well I'm I'm I'm guilty too M are archiv well that's

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what everybody did and that's why I haven't shared yet on your prompt because I got my camera out but that

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was that was my initial like thinking like okay we need to so you see a prompt

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don't dig through your archives try to come up with something a creative way to shoot this well this is good cuz I just

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put out the new prompt for the week and I've not gotten my camera out yet layers so I'm trying I've been thinking how how

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am I going to photograph some layers I've got an idea Bonnie I've got to go to the photographers page now and lay

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down some ground rules yeah let's let this one go we let this one go but like this is good about that I'll be like

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look Bonnie said no I'm like everybody was was finally jumping in and posting

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stuff so I don't want to make I don't want to put rules on it but that's what Bonnie said you guys are doing this wrong no it's just encouragement to get

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your camera out to shoot something that different than what you would normally shoot well still I'm still encouraged

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even by the archival post because true it's activity and it's somebody who's like okay this was my interpretation of

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that word yeah and I've seen some really creative interpretations I was like gosh I never would have thought that but yeah that works you know um so it's it's cool

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to even see I like when people will comment like why do you like it not just a heart but like this is great because

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I love it and I think that's how we all learn too is by oh why does someone like this image because of the composition

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because of the colors or because of right what we'll lay some ground rules don't you worry I think so so so here's

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what we're going to then no one's going to post no no that's not true idea so

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like say I got to get to work when I get home say on Mondays the The Prompt comes out

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right knowing that there's a prompt the next week I don't know we gotta figure out some sort of timeline right because

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you've got a week essentially I guess right to go get a photo off the couch and go take a picture yeah go to right

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right that's doable I think so that's doable a we go take one even if you're not a a profession like a like if you

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have a day job that's you've got a week like that's doable shoot if you're in an office there's a stack of papers beside

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you that's layers yeah yeah come on now so just try yeah trying to think of

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something in your dayto yeah the mondane that um makes you see something different

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that's a good point I like that I think my camera is almost like a magnifying glass sometimes like oo things that I

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wouldn't normally see I see through the viewfinder yeah so you mentioned

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um you've got several photographers that you uh like to bounce ideas off of you

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guys all the time are you know conversating and stuff like that I I really do feel like the community here

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is very supportive for the most part again there's not there's a couple Richards there's not but by and large

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people are super helpful um and here's the thing like every photographer that

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I've spoke to in the area like when you congratulate them they too deal with

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imposter syndrome first off right so like we're all the same it's like yeah we are oh no I'm you know so like

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there's humility right off the bat but then when you can ask them a question about like you know how how have you

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been combating all this green that we have well actually what I do is like I

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make sure that I always shoot Shadow side or whatever right whatever their process whatever their process is but you can you can kind

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of you can learn yeah from people who uh I had someone ask me specifically in the

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editing how do you edit your greens yeah cuz it's hard our area is super green this time of year super greenle what

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what I do in the fall doesn't work for what I do right now you know um so I'm

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like yeah this these are my adjustments on these different things and um welcome

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to the hsl slider yeah yeah that and here's the sucky part about digital

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directly compared to film because I feel like we can say this because you've shot film film handles green a lot better

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yeah oh a lot better by far right out of straight out of camera just normal standard develop time all these things

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also handles the green right out of your bank account well no that's true it is expensive digital right out of camera

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it's like our set's really saturated that's that's like do you you guys said

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you're not you date around what I'm a Canon guy Canon he's Canon guy so um

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that's another thing that I've seen is very different um even just in the Raw very much they color brands Nikon and

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Canon Canon and even Sony has been notoriously nuclear with their Greens in the past s yeah Sony used to really

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struggle they've gotten a lot better um but like right out of the gate same Kelvin and everything and I know this

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specifically because the nuns shoot Sony and Canon uh raw files at the same ceremony

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with the same Kelvin Garretts will always be slightly warmer and that's a cannon thing uh I don't I've not

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compared it side by side with like nikons I so for me big draw was I started with Canon and I always thought

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that Canon did a really good job with to me the toughest thing was skin tones I

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always thought Canon did a really good job with skin tones whereas like I've seen several Sony photos when they first

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started out it's like it's not that's not that's not I feel like Nikon even though has always been really true they've always been yeah from what I've

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seen on the outside looking in and now Nikon owns Red so yeah Cinema Camera

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yeah um so what so you started Nikon what is it that you like about because

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you've seen the you've seen the comparison so like what do you see difference wise um so like when Mel and

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I shot together yes she's Canon she's Canon we were trying to like make sure

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all our settings were the same and just I mean we're just looking on the back of our screens right so not even on

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a true computer screen or anything but like hers brings out a lot more of the

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Reds yes a little heav red and like uh icon was bringing out the greens yes and

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the yellows yep greens and yellows so um not that either one is bad or different

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but you just have to know how to process it I mean the thing and and then when people buy presets I don't understand

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how anybody can sell a preset because tough you don't know what camera they're using or what their settings are like if

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you expect to buy a preset and put your preset well on your work and make it think that it's going to look like that

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person's work is there's a disclaimer with all of you have to have a disclaimer with presets it's like look

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this results are certainly going to vary uh they're going to vary

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like this set this this preset may have been like completely built out of Sunny

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environment you try and throw it on an overcast fall day it's not going to work season camera that was shot on time of

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day like if was it foggy that day was it not foggy like there is so many variables especially on the photo side

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um and video too like it's so manufacturer specific when it comes to presets I would say

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today though like with raw specifically you can you can match

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cameras yeah it's just a matter of like knowing for instance Canon Reds are

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going to be slightly different icons greens are going to be slightly different for like the nuns that working together or your second shooter

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someplace you want to make sure that you're yeah yeah well heck we do it on the video side we're matching Lumix cameras and black magic you know for

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this um it's you just have to know the the the quirks and the the ins and outs

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of each one of them right it's same thing with photo or video so would you

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encourage people to get involved in the photography

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Community uh and what maybe what um what maybe are some steps that they can do to

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actually start doing that because it sounds like you you did that from scratch here so you you should should

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speak to that to maybe be brave I was really shy okay

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I was really shy and introverted and felt like oh I'll never get into the community so it was someone who reached

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out to me it was Katrina really okay who um reached out to me just start pulling

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me in so I hope I could be that to somebody else um but um maybe if you are

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on the shy side to just be like just put your foot out there and step in and and

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hopefully someone will be like yeah hey try this or yeah this this you know a

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lot of the questions are where did you shoot that and I see a lotc nobody wanted to share their location right

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it's like fishing holes yeah yeah it is I ain't telling you where this got where I caught this fish right so now I'm like

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oh it's right behind here whatever have fun or it's best if you do it this time

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of day at the spot or you know um because

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and I mean I can only say it's the Lord that's been good to me and and my business so absolutely um I want to

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share that with anybody else who's trying it well you know where it comes from so it's not from me it's from the

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Lord absolutely if you got good news your job's to share it I love that I love that I do and and I agree like I I

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think somebody if you'll just take that that step of you know a little bit of

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uncomfort uh that first step into a community somebody that's already in the Community will gladly yep uh take you

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under the wing or have those conversations with you um and that's locally uh and and even I would say

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abroad I mean we're a part of Photography communities literally across the world yep and there are people in

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every single community that we're in that are so helpful yeah um those those outweigh the ones over in the other

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Corner giving you noise and you might still get some noise you're going to get or no no noise sometimes I feel like

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sometimes you get Cricket you're shouting to avoid like right part of another community that I'm scared to

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death to post in because they all are like amazing and I feel like oh if I post a nobody responds then that is just

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a scary you get no response or you get like trashed yeah yeah so um I've

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experienced very little personally I've experienced very little of the troll side of things certainly but I do enjoy

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the trolls cuz I like having fun with them well like so specifically uh I have

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never experienced a troll here in Greenville no not in Greenville no not in Greenville um so I I would encourage

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someone like if so say you uh you find yourself let's say you find yourself uh

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being drawn to the the family uh photo side of things I know you're looking at

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the people who are already doing it and you've got people in your mind you're like gosh I really like their work MH

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reach out to them send that DM I I can almost guarantee you it's going to be met with you know gratitude I can't tell

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you how many times I have sent example pieces photo and video to to a person

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that is one of my mentors just said yo tell me what I'm doing wrong here you know or tell me what I'm doing right so

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I can duplicate that next time like that's for sure I think that's one of the easiest ways to just say hey do you care when you've got some time just yeah

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give me some notes hands on like come with me yeah can I come on a shoot with you can I come on a shoot with you

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absolutely I think that's super helpful um um so yeah I would just encourage people to do that reach out reach out

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send that DM uh hey if you're in Greenville get in the photography group photographers of Greenville literally

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post your questions on there like I got some really good feedback when I asked like what what what was something that

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you constantly struggle with start now um that and a lot of people that don't

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normally comment jumped in there they nice there good you know what I forgot about that yeah that did struggle with

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that um so yeah it's it's really cool to to the community join the community

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absolutely Bonnie yes thank you thank you thank you for for coming on with us

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today this been fun absolutely lots of fun listen I know you were nervous and

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you told me you were an introvert I can't tell I think you crushed it yeah definitely introvert and

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was definitely a little nervous I think you did so good that we'll probably have you back for yeah another episode or

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five bingo bingo well y'all better start listening there

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we go absolutely and then this is great guys no thank we we appreciate you this

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