Episode 37 - Ryan Maderic of Cumberland Marketing on How he got started in Video Production - Part 1
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On today's episode we're "framing" our buddy Ryan Maderic of Cumberland Marketing.
Ryan is Director of Video Production for CM, and on part one of this two part series we discuss Ryan's background in content creation, how past experiences helped shape and prepare him for a cross-country move to our beautiful Tennessee hills and tackle the stories he captures now for his clients on a daily basis.
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I got slates right here SL literally all
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you need for it's all you need all SL
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right here pal two of I mean you're no
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longer officially sinking it or at least
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we're not yet so actually I got a
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question for you is it two slates or is
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it eight slates since these are called
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the quads two quads would be
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eight I have no clue that's just a
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question it's a lot of math that's more
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math than I'm ready to do on this Monday
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morning it is a slate nonetheless good
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morning good morning good afternoon
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wherever you find
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yourself where you are in life
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absolutely we are in a new place as you
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probably can see I'm fresh off a camping
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trip uh I have been bachelor in it this
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week hey you're a bachelor the girls are
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out of town not fun you've been throwing
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wild parties listen it was cool for
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about it was cool for about 18 hours and
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then it got real quiet real fast was
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that after all the guests left well no
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it got I mean it just so the quiet was
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cool for a bit mhm and then the quiet
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was no longer
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cool so you threw an 18-hour Rave I
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didn't throw anything what I'm hearing
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right now but I got tired of solitude
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the Solitude really started to like man
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you know what I wish my wife my kids
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were here I do you know miss them so I
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can understand that if nothing else I've
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been with my wife and kids in a in a 26
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foot travel trailer all weekend I'm
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rejuvenated excited very cool well we
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are are at a new place we are in
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Kingsport
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Tennessee which what's the
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uh what's the county is it Sullivan is
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it Sullivan County so we're not in
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bluntville yeah where what is our
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neighboring what are our neighboring
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counties yeah Washington County
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Washington County that's true true yeah
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any other solivan cities I don't live
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here that long Bristol well yeah I mean
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but what's the county lines know well we
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got cities though too within the county
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got you got JC just up the street what
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else do we have aside from Bristol
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starts with a B I think another b word
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another you guys are mean I see we've
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been tipped off exactly there's been
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here listen he was not taking the bait
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and I'm a terrible fisherman evidently
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so we tried to get into just say that
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maybe if you didn't grow up in this area
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maybe you relocated yes uh you might be
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a little concerned about some of the of
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this town right neighboring towns
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kingsport's pretty pretty easy to nail
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also pretty Infamous but there's some
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places like Greenville yeah with an E
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Greenville yeah and then there's places
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like y
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Blountville there it is that you'd be
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like that's surely the name like an
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educated man would pronounce it I live
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in Blountville yep would agree that
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sound like Dracula but sping sping I
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unfortunately figured that it uh does
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not really get pronounced that way no
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it's um but I appreciate you for being a
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scholar I don't even think we enunciate
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the V too much here just BL BL more of a
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v I actually had to cut a piece of my
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tongue out and I just there you go the
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dialect better nice yeah I like that b l
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nice get her
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and taters jar get us the meet and ters
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we have beat around the bush enough we
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have a guest and we are in his house
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yeah we're in his backyard well his new
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backyard he's actually originally from
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Arizona um we have Ryan with Cumberland
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marketing he is director video
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production that you nailed it yeah I
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have been uh seated here at Cumberland
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for coming up on five years very nice
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which means like I've been in in
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Tennessee too you know it's what brought
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me here basically so you relocated for
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this job for the job I came here to be
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part of the crew so part of the crew
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part of the ship as I was doing some
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research I figured you were at or I
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learned that you were from Arizona
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yep the journey from Arizona to
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Tennessee evidently was professional how
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did you I mean did you find this online
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what happened you know if uh if I can
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divulge my short professional career
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it's been it's been varied I've been
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kind of all over the place and uh
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Tennessee is finally feels like rooted
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to me which is super uh awesome to have
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so yeah went uh to college in Arizona
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grew up in Arizona
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um got my bachelor's degree in
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electronic media and Film Production
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after that um I think my yeah my very
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first job was at a drug rehabilitation
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center very cool okay uh very storied
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out in wienberg Arizona which is where
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the tumble weeds blow and it's pretty
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much all there is to see out there there
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a really good place to get pie so that
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was a cool stand out it was like an hour
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drive from my apartment um that was
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pretty short lived Unfortunately they
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had a cool like kind of film division to
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help people going through rehab kind of
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deal with um
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different abuse substance abuse issues
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and um kind just kind of how film can
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kind of help be a healing process so
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that was a good one um spent like five
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months in Hawaii filming Japanese
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weddings wow that's cool yeah that was
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really cool like I work for a Japanese
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company I learned how to say Cai andai
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and what did you say translate that
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place um look at the camera please look
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at each other please okay a little
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different translation than what we speak
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speak so you were posing very cool I
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like that what was the grub like in
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Hawaii it was amazing so I Pok balls
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yeah I love food now like any kind like
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I just yep give me all of it I was very
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uh reserved back then but Hawaii kind of
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cracked me open because I was like how
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can you not live in Hawaii be surrounded
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by Japanese co-workers and their culture
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and like not just try stuff yeah how do
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you not indulge so it was cool yeah lots
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of good food there so you did get into
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the Pokey yeah poke yeah that is
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got to catch all them all little bit of
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Pokey um you know that unfortunately I
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decided not to to live there like they
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offered me a job afterwards but the pay
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for some reason I had a little bit of an
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ego being out of college being in my 20s
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happens thinking I need some money yes
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yeah yes bre you just need a good time
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so you know make sure you all if you get
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a job at the beach basically like I had
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you should just take it for a while and
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before it's totally fine well at that in
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a rearview I'm like dang that sounds
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like a pretty good gig yeah Hawaii beach
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gig Japanese wedding filmmaker maybe the
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money didn't didn't align with what you
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wanted it wasn't a lot of money it was
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still wedding videos but at the end like
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it was people it was a really cool
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culture culture absolutely I think that
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one specifically just for the culture
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would be very fun uh my wife's family
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they are from Taiwan oh nice uh so
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they're also of the Asian culture and I
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I find those overseas cultures to be so
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fascinating especially Japanese culture
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yeah that's very cool that's a cool gig
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yeah so that was a great time and then
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like getting into some more like longer
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lasting jobs I actually um me and my
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wife we just kind of both grew up in
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Arizona we met in college and we're just
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like you know we want to go explore more
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of the country so I started looking at
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jobs more outside of the state and end
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up taking a job in um Marshfield
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Wisconsin okay so if you were to just
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like drop a pin in the middle of the
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state that's it's pretty much Marshfield
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it's two hours north of Madison also
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weather difference oh my gosh from a
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summer in Arizona so you're looking at
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like 120° pretty normal yeah high it's a
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good heat though good
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heat straight into a winter like I got
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there in time for Halloween oh so I
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didn't really get like the good part of
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Wisconsin went from A Summer to a winter
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that's unfortun and um during my stay
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there for about like four years speaking
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of weather we hit like a polar vortex
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where it's 55 degrees below zero sick
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wow so that's fair and hot by that was
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good for the Arizona it's pretty gnarly
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yeah you just I got I had thick blood
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for a minute y once you got used to it
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but the um my workplace was the
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marsfield Clinic Health System okay so I
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worked as a part of their like internal
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agency that served the health system
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doing video so we got to tell a lot of
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like really awesome patience stories so
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I got like really close with um a lot of
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the different people that were you know
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they really had their life saved through
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there nice I got a real crazy kind of
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you can call it Jesus moment or I heard
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this like your mug
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your uh I don't even remember the
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acronym which is maybe a bad reason to
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bring it up but like whatever your DD is
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you know you choose um but my mother
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passed away from breast cancer and then
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I found myself documenting a woman's
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breast cancer Journey like right after
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right so yeah pretty wild times over
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there that's interesting you need to uh
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you need to follow our friend Jennifer
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Horton uh she's a budoir photographer
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down in Greenville she does a nonprofit
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where she document
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breast cancer patients throughout their
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Journey wow yes she takes on a few of
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those a year uh so hits very close to
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home that's that's awesome yeah no doubt
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but anyways the time in Marshfield was
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great like really learned how a good
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agency can work together and just like
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grew a lot professionally um really like
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value my time there and just have so
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much respect for the quality of the
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creative people there yeah you know you
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can look out on the outside and be like
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it's a really rural town but just like
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the quality of the people inside that
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building oh yeah or like bar nun like I
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created a lot of stuff I'm really proud
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of during that time um but eventually
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felt like I had learned so much and had
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like all these new tools I was like
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excited to take on the world oh and so I
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started looking at outside opportunities
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and jobs um you know I just have like a
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really adventurous spirit I love to be
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outside I grew up skateboarding and then
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like snowboarding all in college so I
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was like anything action sports that was
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like my dream growing up sure um and I
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eventually applied to a job and um moved
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my family outside of Milwaukee to work
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for Evan rude outboard motors oh nice so
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it was like cool man like boats action
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like like filming some like yeah like
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man GoPro like on the water like this be
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so crazy I didn't know that Evan Rood
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was based in
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Milwaukee yeah so um I lived in Kenosha
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which is just a little suburb outside
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and then they are in a little town just
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right in between the name kind of
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plagues my memory at the moment but I
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just know with the Evan roods you have
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like the Craig Morgan song Redneck Yacht
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Club where that brand is mention
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specifically so I wouldn't think that
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Redneck Yacht Club and Milwaukee
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Wisconsin had a connection but
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apparently they do I don't think they
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are a company anymore actually Evan
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rud's not a company oh that's sad no
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don't they're still out there loud and
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proud on the lake oh yeah they're still
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they're still still kicking no doubt
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they're like the original outboard motor
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yeah for sure the A1 from day one so
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from Evan Roode then but you know it was
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another short St unfortunately I was
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there for four months I was fired up
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with all this info and uh they let me go
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after just a couple months oo I don't
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know kind of a a big big growth point
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for me didn't really get an explanation
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why you know it was it was a tough time
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on the family moving outside of a cute
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little town into a bigger city and stuff
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um we just had our second child by that
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point too there's like a lot going on
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and didn't have family nearby but it it
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kind of left us back in this uncertain
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land of what do we do you know by this
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time like I'm in my 30s I got two kids
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and I am once again like employed yeah
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so next it it was a tough spot to be in
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you know we luckily have always had
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awesome family nice my my in-laws have
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always been great in like welcoming us
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with open arms to just come and stay
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with them and figure out life so I got
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to do that um luckily for me too they
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were running a house in South Carolina
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so I had like a nice place to stay um
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and just started searching for jobs all
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all over the country again and uh found
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uh one of the many listings on LinkedIn
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that I was applying all over the country
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for um I think maybe one of my first
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phone calls with the owner here at
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Cumberland with Chris Bowen was like I
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might have been at the airport on my way
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to Cheyenne Wyoming for like another
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interview with a different company um
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but just seeing the work that was coming
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here I just really love like the variety
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I love like the energy right that uh
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Nick bow put together on the demo reel
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okay my coworker my best bud my bike
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buddy okay so bike buddy your bb shout
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out my to Nick the BB yeah bike buddy
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you know he had some really cool things
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going on there and at the same time um
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if I had to kind of like Flex myself up
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a little bit I was like yeah I think I
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could fit in here because I think I
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could show them a few things go ahead
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Flex yourself up I like that this is
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good but there's room for growth sure
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cuz it'd be like intimidating I was like
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are you the kind of person that's going
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to show up and like help a place grow or
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um are you kind of like the small fish
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and like you got to grow when you yeah
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you got you got for suit on I know I
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mean you want a little bit both right
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yeah so found it on LinkedIn and just
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started having the conversation there
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because I was just down the coastline
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six- hour drive I was able to like come
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scout out the town okay and holy like
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when I holy culture shot Batman no in in
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the best way listen grown up in the
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desert and then living in a very flat
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world Wisconsin There's Nothing flat
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here I saw the mountains and I was like
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yeah buddy absolutely you got me sold
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yes the mountains ain't flat our guts
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ain't flat we got biscuits and gravy
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boys and girls that's right so I do want
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to back up real quick because you you
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talked about that time uh where you
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basically had a reset yeah uh in your
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30s yep what what would you say were the
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key things that you derived from
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everything that had boiled up to that
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point to help get you through what I
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would assume you would call a dark time
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yeah yeah yeah for sure I mean to
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elaborate here it's like my bank account
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was pretty much as close to zero as a
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bank account get we're talking like
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single digits right you got a family
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four rough you're you're applying for
16:04
the government checks and then your
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daughter brings home some lice so now
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you have lice oh man wow and you're
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looking for a job and you're unemployed
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and you're living with your in-laws so
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dang so that that that was like the
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reality and you know like you're saying
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I mean I've always always been half
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glassful kind of guy yeah like just
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super
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optimistic um listen life is gonna put
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you down but like that it's always
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temporary like whatever moment you're
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living in is always temporary good or
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bad yeah so just enjoy whatever you have
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um and I I hadn't you know by that time
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it's like listen I've gone through some
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other career changes I had been let go
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people had just randomly run out of
16:45
money who I didn't know were the ones
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funding me and I didn't have a job so it
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it luckily in one way wasn't my first
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time where that had just happened and I
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had to make a shift so I'd had a bit of
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experience I had like the mental
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toughness from all of that
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um around this like same time you know
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once I hit 30 uh I decided to start
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eating vegetables oh nice okay yeah okay
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I ate like a salad getting the greens in
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and you know kind of changed my life a
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little bit okay cuz I just went from
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being pretty uh you know Frozen Pizza
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Capri Sun kind of Dad wow every day yeah
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you wouldn't guess that this athletic
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figure was run
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on listen I've I've seen it I've seen it
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happen I've seen it happen but um I just
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say that to bring in you know like I
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really started to try to take care of
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myself more sure like yeah you know
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mentally and physically is just like I
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need to I need to exercise I need to
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move my body I need to take care of
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myself and I honestly feel like a lot of
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the the mental um strength that I had
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gained was just through you know I found
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that through like a physical yeah Avenue
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Endurance Sports and just trying to get
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myself tough and like kind of prepared
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for anything found an outlet yeah found
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a good Outlet right so so that brings me
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to a point that has nothing to do with
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what you stated so far strictly has to
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do with reconnaissance that I did yeah
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there's a word under your bio on the
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company website that's
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right for me taters ters t a t r s I've
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got I when I saw it again I was confused
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I was like I wonder if he's actually
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talking about potatoes or is this some
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like backhanded Nikon joke that you know
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there's tons of memes about
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yeah people claim that nikons are like
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shooting on a potato I that so ters yeah
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just a fun little fun little fun little
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uh into to this little bit here uh what
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why is
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ters on your yeah I think it goes to
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kind of what I was just touching on is
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just like I and maybe it's because I got
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a bit of an extreme personality when I
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dig into something but it's just like
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I've got some like funny Health stories
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about being like too granola a little
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bit too green okay okay um I'm pretty
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sure I gave myself some form of like
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scurvy you know okay cuz like you're
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supposed to brush your teeth with like
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some fluoride it's like good for your
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teeth yeah but if you dig a little bit
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too deep on like the influencer side of
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Health oh you might be like you don't
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need no fluoride like know what you
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should be brushing your teeth with is
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some nice clay clay charcoal something
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from the earth it's like listen the
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stuff exists like I'm sure there's a
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right use for it and all but I got to
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the point where my teeth my gums were
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real itchy like all the time time itchy
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and then I decided I was like you know
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what it's probably this
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toothpaste I have never not ever never
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in the 31 years I've been on this Earth
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had someone describe their gums as itchy
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itchy yeah well that one blowing my mind
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right now yeah what an adjective fight
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our gums oh man oh man so um you're
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saying the charcoal toothpaste life is
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not not all it's cracked up to I mean I
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got a little bit of charcoal in my
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toothpaste now but there's still
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fluoride in it okay gotta so it's mainly
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the fluoride yeah I mean I think this
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stuff was called I don't want to shout
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out no Brands but yeah well we we'll
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keep it we'll keep keep on the DL we'll
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just say big charcoal so so so we've got
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charcoal scurvy itchy yeah yeah how do
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we get potatoes out how we get T I mean
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it's just a funny illustration to say
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that um I was just trying to eat better
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so now sweet potatoes is like my go-to
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like snack love sweet potato you know
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sweet potatoes are great you can cook
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them up and I do like I'll cut them in
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half and do like four or five of them in
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the oven Y and then like put them
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container and they're good to go and
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being production life know you're on set
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long true you're on set early can that
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stain you for a bit too though that's
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what I'm saying so the sweet potato I
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I'll bring a lunch box with me or I got
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my dad bag and I just shove a little
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half aater in there yeah and I've got
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fuel I dig it I've I've been a meal
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prepper well not recently but in my past
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life me and my wife were meal Preppers
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very heavily and uh sweet potatoes are a
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staple yeah in my diet I love them
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listen do you ever take him a little
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less healthy a little bit of butter and
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brown sugar uh you know I can't say I do
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butter and brown sugar what I have done
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though is like I'll I'll double dip and
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you can get those like little squeezy
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packets of peanut butter like the RX Nut
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Butter yes you can and I'll I'll double
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fist I'll go a little bit of Tater
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little bit of Tater little bit of peanut
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butter really as we say in the Baptist
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Community bless it Lord wow I would
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never thought toess the Lord listen I I
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ate peanut butter by the Spoonful yeah I
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love peanut butter so I've never thought
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to marry those two yeah wow that's
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straight up endurance fuel sweeter
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casserole with a hint of peanut butter I
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like that I like that
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so
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wow
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scurvy itchy taters get your fluoride in
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folks basically the that's what I'm
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hearing that's what I'm hearing it's
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been a good episode get your fluoride in
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yes absolutely little reminder for you
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all so I would like to Pivot here and
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get a little more into the nuts and
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bolts of what you do M yeah your
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director video
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production what Drew you to video as a
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medium because in marketing there are
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plethora of mediums how did you end up
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in video so um for me it really came um
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I think of like kind of two main story
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lines here like video in general um I
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just love taking pictures growing up you
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know I always had a camera with me got
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like a plethora of old like digital
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cameras from the childhood and I got
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into like film photography just cuz I
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thought he was like edgy and cool yep um
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and then like skateboarding yep so I
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grew up skating and was just like
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watching skate videos and I was like for
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a while I was like that's my career sure
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and even into like my 20s and after
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college I was like that's my career did
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you have a pile of CCS magazines so like
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I was big on the CCS Back In The Day The
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Thrasher magazines the skateboard mag I
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had like a cool I got to go overseas to
22:59
Europe I collected like European
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skateboard Mas as well is so cool I
23:04
longboard so yeah yeah yeah you got the
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Nikes on got some new balances I got the
23:09
the NBS NB some Jamie Foy Jamie Foy
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you're right they nailed it I love it us
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beu guy back in the skate day very nice
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yeah so um skateboarding is what brought
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a camera to my hand in high school I
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took a cool like multimedia class sure
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yeah they had a little bit of graphic
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design a little bit of Photography and
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they had like a Sony vx1000 which was
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like the Holy Grail skateboard back so I
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was like sick you know took that out to
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my local skate park which is down the
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street from the high school and my
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friends who were skateboarding at the
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time I like I just filmed them like
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doing yep whatever little tricks we
23:39
could do you know we weren't great back
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then we had like a crew in our high
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school who were like legit yeah um you
23:45
have some sponsor Riders yeah every high
23:48
school has their sponsored riders that
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was them yeah like those were the guys I
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looked up to I was like man those guys
23:53
are good they're skating rails and stuff
23:54
they were like Street skating I wasn't
23:55
there yet in high school I got you I got
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you um but I eventually like in college
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you know I had a savings that my parents
24:02
helped kind of populate as I was growing
24:04
yeah and then it like it came time I was
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like well I started taking you know
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camera courses and stuff Media stuff in
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college and uh wanted to buy my own
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camera but that was really so I could go
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film skateboarding