Episode 36 - Framed with Jennifer Horton Johnson of Blue Mountain Boudoir - Part 2

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part two of this framed

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session we're going to talk about the

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importance of mentorship and the

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community that is the photography

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Community obviously we already know the

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answer of this question but did you have

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a mentor right I kind of penciled that

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in did you have a mentor I had a mentor

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Garrett had a mentor I still have

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mentors same

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absolutely speak to the importance of of

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having a

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mentor well and why was that so pivotal

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for you honestly I wasn't really sure

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what I was walking into like I knew I I

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did the research I figured out that she

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was the style that I mean she was

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completely budoir that's all she had

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done she did she literally did nothing

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else oh wow um she was also a painter

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yeah um so she would would paint her

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clients too which is really really cool

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and so I walked in but the best part

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about her mentorship and eventually when

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I get to the stage of going to do that

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where I feel like I'm adequate enough to

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do that I will do the same what painting

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as no um The MENTOR the to be a mentor I

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don't feel like I'm at that point yet

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but got I'll challenge you on that but

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keep going she had me come in as a

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client first so the first two days were

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me as client so that I could see her

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processes and then we literally flipped

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to

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this is her process on how we're going

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to do it you're going to sit by me

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you're going to edit with me um and and

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just we talked about the business side

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the editing side the basically every

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single yes that's and that's very you

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know it's it's it's a hard thing to sit

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and go over your entire like literally

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go over your entire give all of your

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secrets away now I don't know that she

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gave them all away but you know she well

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you feel like she did I feel like she

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did because I still use those Secrets

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today I was going to say whether whether

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or not she actually did you perceived

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the value of being there and the

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information that she gave you yes and it

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and it was worth every penny and more

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and and today I use many of those things

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some things I've changed on my own um

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and grown because it has been so long um

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but a lot of it I feel like I would have

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never known had I not had a mentor

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because how would you have found out

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like the IPS was you know the way that I

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wanted to do things and I'm not saying

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it's for everybody but when I did it I

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came back I tried it and it was okay I

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did it again it was a little bit better

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that time right um so it is a process it

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is a learning it's continuing to learn

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it's a it's always learning I'm always

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learning something so you said you still

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talk to her right still talk to her yeah

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see at least a couple times every

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quarter and it's been how long five

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years yeah see that's what's so cool

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like when I had a mentor

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I was able to so he helped me so much

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with the editing now he he was a

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traditional he came from film okay he

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was an older photographer and done a lot

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and did a lot of Studio work and

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portrait work so he was more of that

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clean just not really stylized uh

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editing style but just a really clean

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Timeless processing and so like that's

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how I learn things simple things like in

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Lightroom where you hold the alt button

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you find white point you hold the alt

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button you find your blacko that way um

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and so like I learned so much of just

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how to edit how to go through a

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Lightroom catalog how to set those

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things are things that you just don't

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understand now obviously now you've got

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YouTube and all those things but there's

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something to be said for having an

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actual Mentor someone that you can call

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up because it's great to watch YouTube

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videos I have YouTube channel Garrett

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has YouTube channel I'm thankful for

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people who watch it but like the people

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who really get value are the people who

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can actually you can talk to yeah um so

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hey I'm really struggling with this

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thing right here M yes and and I don't

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know how you all are in the videography

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world but we have um groups of budoir

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photographers all over the world and we

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you can put your problems into this

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group you bounce ideas off each

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other now they're very like very picky

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about who comes in there um like you

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have a lot of questions to answer before

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you because you can't just you can't

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just let everybody and hate to for it to

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be like that but also it has to be the

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value the value it has to be there and

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so um it's nice to get actual feedback

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from people that have been there or have

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seen that problem or you like you post a

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photo and you say look I've got you know

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I've got this spotting or whatever and

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you know you can help that or you well

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you're talking to people who are where

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you want to be right which does a lot of

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things that a that helps you level up

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and I think I think coming into a

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community where maybe it is a little bit

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we'll call it exclusive uh to to get

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into um that only helps you like that

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helps you level up because again you're

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getting advice you're getting feedback

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from folks who are in the place that you

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want to be I think that's massively

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valuable and I feel like you always have

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to find somebody that's better than you

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to be able we talk about that all the

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time that's that's where my challenge

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comes in you said when I get to a place

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I want to be a mentor listen I've never

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heard it more easily put put it on a 0

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to 10 we've talked about this on the

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podcast whatever you see yourself say

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you see yourself I see myself as like a

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four or a five right whatever on the

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scale of Photography right in competency

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that means that you can help a zero you

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can help a one you can help a two you

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can help a three you can even help up to

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the same level as you right and that's

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what you need to be doing right because

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I've also learned this when someone asks

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you something and then you've got to

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formulate a good response as to how to

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answer it you actually learn more yeah

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in some cases by teaching that makes any

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sense I would agree with that you're

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reverse mathing everything yeah so like

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you also inadvertently end up leveling

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yourself up too there like when you have

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to turn around and teach it to somebody

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so and the illustration that that person

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used was so comical they were like look

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if I just started out

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golfing I do not need to take lessons

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from Tiger Woods right yeah you'd be so

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confused you'd be so confused now could

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he teach you everything absolutely but

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like no you need to learn from like a

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two or a three right now need learn from

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a midle Le fundamental things right so

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it's like you could easily you can I

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know you can provide value to someone

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right so if all I'm saying is don't let

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your fear of striking out striking out

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or whatever actually I'm going to call

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you out because I know specifically at

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some of the local photography meetups

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that we have you have people coming to

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you already yeah I asking for

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information and advice and I love

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helping people um but I do have that

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fear of what if I tell them the wrong

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thing well um but then also

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like my my other concern about that is

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where do you monetize that like I knew

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what I paid as a as as someone going to

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you know when I was doing my research

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and I was like what what value do I put

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on this what dollar sign do I put on

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this am I comfortable spending several

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thousand dollars with to spend a week

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with this person person right like where

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I don't that's where the giant question

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mark like everybody's time is valuable I

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think you just have to set that right

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you just have to set that like experim

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with it to take Tiger Woods a golf

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lesson from Tiger Woods I guarantee he's

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going to be pretty dab burn expensive

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compared to the middle school golfer or

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to the local uh Pro or the local

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you yeah well I mean they have value

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trust Meely I could learn tons of things

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from a local Pro I do not need to take

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lessons from Tiger Woods nor could I

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afford to take lessons from wood that's

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not the point but like yeah you figure

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out what that is and so like if if

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you're catering to you know let's just

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say you're a five or a six or whatever

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and you're catering to a one or two or

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three well you know you could price it

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as such yeah um and I don't know every

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every niche of Photography is going to

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obviously require different amounts of

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time you mentioned having a full week I

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could see a value I could see Great

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Value in having a full week oh for sure

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could you could you still provide

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value in uh like a an online well an

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online setting or even an onsite like

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hey weekend I will come with you people

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come to you during a session and and I

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would do that that's exactly how I would

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do it I would say look I I'll bring

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someone in that day I feel like yours

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would be very Hands-On it would have to

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be I don't feel like I could do that

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online be honest um but because you have

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to be you have to be real intimate with

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your client you know you're fixing

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straps you're like you know you're

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makeing sure the hair is okay or

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whatever ever and you're really having

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to get down into what we're doing with

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our hands all the way down to I mean we

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pose toe to head like toe to hair

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probably break it up though if you had

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like an entry level let's say let's say

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your entry level was online where you're

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talking about like basic poses and basic

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uh we'll just call it confidence

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Concepts yeah uh for your client like

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you can get a very basic level uh course

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that is pretty much autopilot for you um

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so this year 2024 I am um right now I'm

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going through courses to be a certified

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body image educator there you go at the

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end of the at the end of the year I will

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be well by the time that we do my Costa

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Rica Retreat I will be a body image

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educator I don't know what that is but

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congrats basically it's just um making

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my clients feel confident in in the skin

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that they're in there you go so and it's

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and it's it's caused me to be very um

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open and transparent with my clients who

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they they appreciate that absolutely

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people people want to to communicate and

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to buy and to be they want someone they

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can trust someone they can they can

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relate to and someone that's honest and

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and that have something that they want I

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think you have multifaceted ways that

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you could you could essentially be an

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educator yeah whether it be on site

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online wherever it's a goal yeah don't

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don't sell yourself short don't sell

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yourself short telling you you've got

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value to provide for someone um um I

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guess the last thing I would love and

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we've talked about this off camera

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MH you mentioned mentoring we've all

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talked about mentors that we've

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had there is a misconception though in

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the photography and even video community

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of I don't know and I don't know if it's

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like Pride on the person who should be

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asking or if it's some sort of

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perception of someone being approachable

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like specifically if you are uh looking

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up to someone because you think they're

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further ahead in their career then you

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you admire them you would love to have

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advice from them all these things but

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for whatever reason you feel as though

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they're unapproachable I I wish we could

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somehow break that wall down um because

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here's the thing I I personally find

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that the photography Community is very

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very supportive right for the most part

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but we do get for the most part going to

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have you got your Richards in there to

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have you're going to have right that's

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that's that's that's period but I know

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we've talked about this and I would

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somehow love to squash the bug if if if

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at all possible on this faith and Frank

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podcast to to basically say

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look I I love to answer questions right

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I am wherever I am today whatever

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whatever level you think that is I am

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where I am today because I as as

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somebody some question somewhere right

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now that could be from Google that could

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be from YouTube in person whatever but

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like local community I I love being

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asked a question so if I could somehow

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encourage anyone who is starting in

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photography maybe you see a local

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photographer that you just love their

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work but for whatever reason you think

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they're

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unapproachable I would I would almost

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argue that you're you're wrong like

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they're they they they're would love to

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uh but what are what are ways that you

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break that barrier because so you you

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are you're you're professional at what

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you do right um we'll say regarded

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because you're doing destination Bo yeah

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true but but what are some ways though

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that you can uh help people with that

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because I know again like we have a

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fairly large local community absolutely

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and I feel like and I've seen you in

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person answer questions yes and I and I

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really try like I and I don't feel like

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I'm inapproachable but I know that

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that's it's out there and so um one

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thing that I've this is one thing I've

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done in the past is um so I booked a

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session with that person that I look up

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to like I um there was a a person in

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Bristol that I really loved and so and

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this was back when I did family things

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right and so my thing was I'm going to

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book a session with her and just say hey

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you know where can I go to learn or

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whatever do you offer do you offer

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classes you offer mentoring you know

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because in that hour that I've booked

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with her yes she probably don't want to

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talk about it but we did anyway because

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I got to know how she is as a person

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also I brought my family to her um and

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she helped mentally like she answered

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questions while we were walking talking

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and you know and then I I proceeded to

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go back to her yeah several more times

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we talk still um there is a a Tri Cities

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group um that you know she's active in

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she answers questions she offers

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mentorships now right and so I feel like

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unless you ask the question that the

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answer is always going to be no period

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period absolutely step out there and

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answer you know ask the question because

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if you don't then it's always always

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going to be no if you're looking for

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negative then you'll find it right

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that's true right that's very very true

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and so I I feel like you know if there's

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somebody and the same goes for me like I

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have people that I look up to in a

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general area around here and then I have

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next level like in our in the US or in

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the entire world mean you know and at WP

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I went to wppi last year in Vegas I was

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able to work with a couple people the

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caveat to that is that you know there

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are people that you maybe that are on a

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different level and they don't they are

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they are a little bit unapproachable

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again you've got some Richards out there

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and by Richard I mean figure out the

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abbreviation for that and you'll well I

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met those I met those met some Richards

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we've met some Richards you mentioned

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you mentioned uh

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secrets and and she let all of her

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Secrets out or you felt as though she

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let all her Secrets out Mentor there is

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this issue of of gatekeeping there can

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be right but by and large no I

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mean listen there anything that I know

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MH free knowledge yeah I got from

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somewhere yeah I had to get it from

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somewhere I didn't just spontaneously

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combust what I know that's true but and

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and here's the big thing too and

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especially in the bud Community is that

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um a lot of us pay for certain yes

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materials right yes and that is

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something that by law we cannot give out

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we can't give out and that seems very

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unapproachable and when I say here's

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where you can go to find this I

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encourage you to look into it there I'm

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not trying to be hateful right but I've

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also invested well you invested a lot

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and I want you to invest too because

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then we can we can all grow together the

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meat of it right then we can get into it

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and so I'll I'll lean you that way but I

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can't give you that for free because

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some educator has really put a lot into

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Dollars into that is that's something

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too and it's not that I'm unapproachable

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about it it's just that I really need

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you to like yeah that's fair get with it

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well and there there comes a point in

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time too where like when you do get to

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that level of like Hey we're we're

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paying for a mentor or I'm paying for

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these resources like it's it's only fair

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that everyone pay the same

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dues in that situation something I mean

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it it truly like if you if you just have

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a question for if you have a few

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questions for a local photographer and

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they don't have like actual hour Mentor

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sessions to can book like take them to

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dinner yeah pay for

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the yeah I mean come to the meet just

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come to a Meetup truly most people I'll

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take an out of focus Polaroid of you I'm

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going I'm going to that's also true

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Polaroid only shoots out of focus it

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doesn't want to be in Focus um but like

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most I'm going to put Big Air quotes

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around most most for the most of the

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photography Community is super

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supportive absolutely absolutely and and

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I can only speak for specifically the

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three here like I love questions right

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if you have any questions if if this

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setting yeah is like giving you trouble

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you just do not cannot grasp this

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setting well and I try

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and me me as a client and you all have

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seen it in the last week for sure like I

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booked a creative session with um a

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couple photography you know company here

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and then I did Mommy and Me sessions

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with another photographer like I also do

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things with Bonnie I I mean like I you

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know I make sure Bonnie are you back

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there no she hasn't come in yet oh she

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came to the door and then she was like

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Oh I thought I heard her come

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in yeah I saw the n do your motorcycle

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so the nuns cuz I was going to sell my

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motorcycle and so I wanted to do a

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creative like hey I feel very Maverick

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and so I got permission to go to the

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airport and we did creative things that

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and the nuns were like hey can we bring

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our gels yes yes you absolutely can so I

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did the you know and I Danielle Ricker

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um you know like or cutshaw Bonnie like

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I try to yeah you fought a session from

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Danielle recently I saw it on mommy and

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me and so I I really tried to not only

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you know actively supporting the

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community yes and I want and I like

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having that conversation with people but

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I also like to make sure that I'm

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sharing the the wealth like I you know

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you want that come to come back to me

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but also I want to make sure that I'm

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I'm giving back to my part of the

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community too so this is what's so cool

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I remember a Meetup that we had um a few

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months ago and and they'll probably kill

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me for talking about this but the nuns

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Jessica specifically wanted to practice

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different styles of pH photography right

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um they do weddings solely like that's

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that's their gig is is wedding and

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engagement and they kill it they they

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are great at it like I I send everybody

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I know to them but Jessica specifically

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had mentioned wanted to practice

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different styles of Photography so you

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by going and doing your Maverick photo

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shoot to you is like okay I'm I'm doing

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my Maverick photo shoot this is fun

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bring your jails but for them and

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Jessica specifically that's something

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that she specifically requested you

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practice so you were able to

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subsequently give back to even her to

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her that's a byproduct of it a byct well

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another thing is so I did a women's um

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group shoot here I had a women's group

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shoot here and we basically were um I

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wasn't invited to that well me neither

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you know uh interesting and so basically

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got the equipment for it everyone um

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wore nude colored outfits um and it's

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basically everybody is a good body saw

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that and so Jessica was the shooter

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because I wanted to be part of it with

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my group I have a ladies group and and I

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wanted I can't be in it and take it at

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the same time Jessica came and

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graciously did a phenomenal job um took

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the Reigns and she was like I need to do

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more things like this yes that's a

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really cool thing though swapping yes

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and so much that at the end she was like

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can you take a few head shots of me

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because I feel very you know she's like

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I feel empowered and I was like this is

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what you're supposed to feel like I told

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her million times ago try to shoot some

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some street photography just to get her

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mentally out of like even like The

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Wedding Game for a little bit just to

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give yourself a a photographic Outlet

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well and and burnouts real yeah burn

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burnout can cly we could literally spin

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a whole burnout a big one yes yes and

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coming out of the burnout is Big that's

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that's where I think that's where I'm at

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at the moment and it's very hard to like

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I don't know it's hard to decipher where

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you're at in it until you're already a

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in it or B coming out of it and you're

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like yeah you never see it coming you

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don't see it coming uh you don't

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actually notice it until you're in you

20:57

feel it when you're in it probably why I

20:59

feel the way I do about editing and then

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it's like okay how do I get out of this

21:03

yeah but I do to to Encompass that whole

21:05

Community idea that we just talked about

21:07

like prime example you are locally

21:10

giving folks the opportunity to try new

21:14

things that's that's the thing about

21:16

photography like I joke and

21:18

say it doesn't have a destination right

21:22

like being the best photographer like or

21:25

or having it all figured out that

21:26

doesn't exist like you're way learning

21:29

so like the nuns specifically her

21:31

wanting to test with jails and stuff

21:32

like that well they are very good

21:36

photographers but their their the point

21:38

is they still had something that they

21:40

wanted to try and learn and test and

21:42

whatnot it's like it is a great

21:45

Community if nothing else has like you

21:47

can swap subject for shooter type

21:49

situation well and Garrett Garrett asked

21:52

to come he he wasn't in he wasn't

21:54

invited invited he was like that doesn't

21:56

sound like Garett none at all Jessica

21:58

goes hey

22:00

uh really wants to come is that okay and

22:03

I'm like yeah I mean it's whatever and

22:05

so and then the next day it was up I

22:09

mean I we shot Tuesday it was up on

22:10

Wednesday I was like they turn it around

22:12

please quit doing that it makes the rest

22:13

of us look we look horrible they really

22:15

turn it around uh Teddy by the way Teddy

22:17

their son um they are setting him up for

22:20

just massive success because agreed

22:22

Jessica's like a dad burn fifth

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generation professional photographer

22:25

it's genetic daughter of dawn Fields y

22:28

go dawn go Dawn and the boys and then

22:31

Garrett he's been doing it since he was

22:32

like two and a half so yeah I mean

22:34

they're they're setting Teddy up they're

22:36

damic Duo it's awesome though and then

22:38

another point I just want to quickly

22:40

make is that um so Scott Henry and I

22:42

went with our families to meow view or

22:45

no Meadow Creek uh viewing Tower the

22:48

other day to see the aurora that we the

22:50

Aurora Borealis we did not see on

22:53

Saturday

22:54

night that we didn't see on Saturday

22:56

night so our families were running

22:57

around Scott and I talking about long

22:59

exposure and what you know we're at

23:01

bouncing settings because Jennifer

23:04

doesn't do long exposure photographers

23:06

in this area saw that thing but

23:08

everybody else on God's green earth did

23:10

you know it needed the publicity that

23:12

Scott I think Scott got a couple images

23:14

yes yes um from his yard he was like I

23:17

really would have liked to not be in my

23:19

yard for that same and so we were

23:21

standing there with our tripods just

23:22

waiting on someone to flip the switch

23:24

and let's go with it and it never

23:26

happened but we were sitting there going

23:28

hey what are the settings we need to

23:29

have for this what are the settings we

23:30

need to have this and really discussing

23:32

it because I haven't shot long exposure

23:35

in a really long time I love exposure

23:37

it's fun 2013 yeah it's been a minute

23:40

since I've tinkered I've started

23:41

dabbling with it on film which is oh

23:44

that sounds it's a notm but it's fun

23:46

sounds like the good old shutter button

23:49

release hard pass hard pass but that

23:52

makes a good point and I guess I guess

23:54

ultimately if I had to say anything else

23:56

regarding the community

23:59

even on a physical level photography is

24:01

pretty expensive yeah uh most people are

24:05

pretty willing to like lend gear out oh

24:08

yeah yeah yeah I mean we I've I don't

24:11

know how many lenses out like glass is

24:13

expensive say we've R out to test a lens

24:16

out before you like buy it which is

24:19

smart I I suggest you do that or borrow

24:21

lenses L is like yeah rent gear reach

24:24

out to your local people uh heck maybe

24:26

they've got exactly what you're want to

24:28

test camera Castle F32 love Castle gear

24:32

oh yeah Sony F32 develops on my horrible

24:36

film they probably get a good kick out

24:38

of the they look at my frames are like

24:40

he is literally taking pictures of trash

24:42

cans what are we doing here boys this

24:43

was a $5 trash

24:45

can by the time he time he got it

24:48

developed and scanned and bought film

24:49

that's five bucks a shot good old Waste

24:53

Management wow speaking of yeah wow rent

24:56

rent some gear ask some questions well

24:58

so like a local one uh was potentially

25:02

in the market for like a 70 to 200 which

25:05

is a great lens but it's not a cheap

25:07

lens even if you buy it used secondhand

25:09

it's still a pretty expensive lens um

25:11

especially if it's a 28 but um yeah she

25:14

was like hey can I borrow that I'm like

25:16

yeah yeah it I would rather you like see

25:19

if it fits your workflow than for you to

25:22

uh you know spend a whole bunch of money

25:24

have to worry about returns all these

25:25

things like yeah which I always do that

25:27

I always always rent things like if like

25:30

before I purchased my Sigma Arts I will

25:32

rent them

25:34

and there's noad there's no B listen

25:38

I'll go ahead you're actually being

25:39

filmed on a sigma art right now I will

25:41

uh you're safe you're safe buying a

25:43

sigma art lens also Amazon they have

25:45

their rental program too I did not know

25:47

that yeah you buy it and then you just

25:48

return it when you're done you learned

25:49

something new oh rental program it's not

25:52

an official rental program wow that's

25:55

that secret menu Sol fun in games until

25:57

you know dropped I know people o I know

26:01

people yeah you got no damage insurance

26:03

on the purchase and return situation

26:05

maybe I wouldn't advise that please

26:07

don't do that um do not come to me for

26:09

financial advice no noted listen what

26:13

they can come to you with though they

26:15

can ask for uh they can get feedback

26:18

some stars and bars questions give

26:20

feedback questions yes absolutely that's

26:22

one of my favorite things about starting

26:24

my YouTube channel

26:26

surprises uh it's great you lost me at

26:29

the at the the photo walking in yeah you

26:31

left me the other day I was like oh I

26:33

might have to leave after that cuz it

26:35

was was the photo walk Walking In

26:37

there's no pun intended dang enter photo

26:41

walk enter in the chat you lost me at

26:42

that I was like oh I'm good I thought it

26:45

was good well I I actually stated that I

26:49

probably lost half my viewers there

26:50

sounds like at least I lost

26:51

one uh so Jennifer thank you no I

26:55

appreciate you guys thanks foring your

26:57

space yeah the space you're more than

26:58

welcome you can next time you can do it

27:00

against the other wall and it's a

27:01

completely different space yeah I mean

27:02

and I I'll even plug you right here uh

27:05

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27:09

War you're looking to build that

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27:20

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27:22

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you can come uh eat at Tipton and come

27:29

on over for your session fill yourself

27:31

up with some biscuits and

27:33

gravy order may need to be reversed on

27:36

that uh eat your biscuits and gravy and

27:38

then she'll take a photo of your

27:40

biscuits and gravy you you'll have

27:42

you'll have the smell on you too oh it's

27:45

a good point a good point oh man

27:47

seriously though thank you for having us

27:48

today than for being on the show

27:50

thoroughly enjoyed it folks thanks for

27:51

stopping in and uh here's the hard part

27:55

we'll catch you guys in the next one he

27:57

didn't make that very hard

27:59

no deis see you

28:03

later bye