Episode 21 - Woodworking & Witnessing with Max Morris - Living KNot Lumber Co.

it's Max Max and Max and Max I beat box in the background you know oh are you I'm just kidding I don't

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I'm not get that so that's about all I got I'm not going to try my hand at it um I have to have my 17 drinks down here

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are we get parched so none of witch or water it's like um I

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feel like I'm at my grandmother's house you know just walk in you just feel welcome and loved the only thing we're

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missing is cookies mashed potatoes green beans missing a lot sounds like we're missing

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a lotad that's more than an only thing that's the full spread man those big yeasty

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rolls getting man excited yeah I better stop I do like my rolls big and yeasty

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yeah buddy with a couple of knobs couple of knobs of butter he call knobs yeah I

Yeasty Rolls & knobs of butter

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have never heard anybody call what's the measurement calculation there well depends Gordon Ramsay's knobs are not

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the same as other people's knobs see we have we have recently went back to stick butter yeah like legitimate stick butter

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yep uh we always have two varieties we have a salted variety yep and unsalted an unsalted variety and we keep it in

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there but they're they they pre-mark they table just like we just we we measure in tablespoons yeah Gordon

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Ramsey does not he measures in knobs well if you're cooking southern most of it you can you're safe measuring well no

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you're you're safe in measuring it with like eyeballs half a stick or stick that's it two measur yeah that's it half

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stick stick where I have where I have weird kids I have my own Cary gold Irish

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butter and then Cole has plant-based butter o yep cuz he's allergic to Dairy

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oh that's my oldest yeah he's he's allergic okay I'm stupid does does does

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does dairy present itself in in that form of D like butter it is butter it is

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mean milk I know that but like it's ch milk that's all it is you know it's not and salt okay yeah learned something

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today yeah butter butter tears him up plant butter dang how does he eat

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anything anywhere then cuz most places I feel like most places or a lot of places locally probably cook with butter yeah

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um so the further out that things are cooked the less it affects him but like if he he loves butter on his rolls so

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obviously if you're putting bear butter on there it's going to te what does that poor kid do at Texas Roadhouse we don't

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go to Texas Roadhouse don't even take him there don't let him be deprived of that once he has the taste I go to

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Longhorn yeah but that butter Longhorn cannot compete with that butter with their rolls RS no if you're going entree

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to Entre I would 21 rather be at Longhorn but D Plus at Longhorn I don't have to wait for three hours to get in

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yeah they kill me that used to be our go-to every Friday and then I got tired of the wait and then the stakes got

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worse and now we don't go the brist though well this one over here forget

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the peanuts they don't do peanuts anymore unless you ask for them yeah see that's the only reason I can go I'm allergic to peanuts see CO's allergic

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peanuts too and see well and I was going to so as a kid I was eggs beef milk yep

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peanuts TR nuts citrus fruit uh mustard yep uh the seafood all that and so I

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mean and they didn't have plant-based butter back then which that makes me feel really old and sound really old it

Country Crock Bowls & their Appalachian versatility

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doesn't taste that much different I mean cuz it's country Croc so like country Croc butter is the bottom of the pit

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anyways so their plant-based butter tastes the same as find China I mean I'm

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I'm telling you my I'm just talking about the contents inside the Fine China like it's it's bottom of the barrel compared to like carrye gold Aston uses

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that plant- bited sweater I don't like it cuz I'm fat and Southern I love my that's why I use car she's skinny and

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Southern I use my Irish butter I want the real deal I want my Irish butter yeah I want I want it to when I scrape

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it it just goes M I have specifically taken a recent Affinity to the salted

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butter I love salted butter oh yes y that's good stuff listen I I I'm it put

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hair on your chest I prove that Meme true uh you know the joke especially like after a big holiday of you open the

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fridge and there's 14 country crosss oh yeah that's us well that's not one of

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them one of them's the margarine SL butter or whatever CU it's always empty well no that may be true too I'm telling

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you one of them soup beans one of them's you know Turkey one of's mashed oh my gosh y it's such a like why would you

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waste that container you don't it has a lid that's half of the value you can stick them on the bottom rack of the

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dishwasher and they don't care a bit Oh They'll handle the dishwasher they'll handle anything yep interesting good to know good to know I have been known have

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been known to throw them in there I wouldn't where they were dishwasher safe but they are apparently so that's that's the secret menu you're welcome yeah my

Max's wife likes his lunch to be pretty

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my wife likes to get the the pretty type of wear I mean yeah if you've got it

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like I don't care what I take mine to work in no hey I'll tell you one thing it's got to be cute for the picture I'll

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take in a trash bag I don't care uh it goes down the same so another another

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cheap reusable uh that I have discovered the the containers that you get your food to go at aub's ah that is a very

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good reusable container that has a lid yeah it's even got a see-through lid cuz

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like that's how they serve it is it similar to the Olive Garden to goes bottom black bottom uh clear top but

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it's not like the thin little it's it's it's handy got compartments and stuff if

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you're like don't touch my food my food don't touch type guy those are similar to like the Amazon meal prep containers

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yes those are probably a cheaper option but yes I don't know they're about the same I will say My Mother Does reuse

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those yeah just like you um mom cooks a lot for other people so like Tuesday she

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takes food to my uncle and my cousin yeah Wednesday days were over there yep

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every other Wednesday she she goes to her mom's and her her sisters twice

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three times a week takes food and she will keep those yeah reuse them take them with them here keep them throw them

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away I don't care right but she's already got her money's worth out of it she took her food home she ate it she

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washed it she did it again there you go shoot I'm ready for lunch now we're we're getting close we got dog Das right

Garrett realizes we are rolling and have been for quite some time

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are we rolling we've been rolling oh we're rolling we're just going to roll this whole thing this is this is a new one we're not going to we're not going

Customary Dad Joke (What happened to the turkey that got in a fight?)

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to hold the guest back we've already shown him this is Max okay but we do have we do have one formality okay you

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have to do your thing and I have to do my thing I I do have to do a dad joke okay I just it just wouldn't be a faith and Frames episode if we didn't have a

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good dad joke Goods also in the eyes of the beholder so what you folks just heard

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was the prequel hey we just uh Max we just talked about Thanksgiving uh so

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this one this one fits right sary the whatever it doesn't matter what happened to the turkey that got in a

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fight no takers huh got Goose he got the stuffing knocked out of

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him okay sir I mean I love stuffing I love dressing you know I'm not a

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stuffing guy you're missing out it depends on how moist it is it has to be moist well okay let me rephrase that you

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got to have my M my M's okay hers is chicken based first off okay oh see then

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I'm I'm already in there's that sounds good that sounds good it's it's good it ain't it ain't your stove top so is it

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like got chicken broth in it yes okay so it's see I'm I'm I'm in I think I could this is this is dance this is yes this

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is dance oh it's so good I got a plot twist for you I'm G to call your dad joke with a dad joke of my own nice two

2nd Dad Joke (Cabinet maker and his doors)

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dad jokes this is unprecedented yeah growing up my dad always told me that when one door shut it's okay it's just

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an opportunity for another one to open great dad horrible cabinet maker

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oh I like it have to dissect that for a

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minute yeah when when one door shuts yep another one opens great dad great dad

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advice but when when you shut your cabinet you don't want this one to open why not actually you might need in that

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cabinet this may be this may just be might you might but the time especially

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if you're in an unfamiliar kitchen and you're searching for something that' be pretty efficient way something you know

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and you shut it it's like Ah that's where the glasses are there you go but that might be the Lord at work actually

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could be it could be listen I'm I see both sides here showing the way uh yeah he could be showing you the way showing

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you the way never know so guys this is Max welcome Max we've talked about him

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we've talked about him on podcast we've talked about his sister on podcast Bri uh but officially so that the entire

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faith and Frames audience can know and see and hear this is Max Morris of

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living not Lumber looking stud living not Lumber Company I'm sorry I like to truncate it at Living not but uh it's

Official Introduction of Max Morris (Living Knot Lumber Co.)

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living not Lumber compan you look like a man that's that's good with the wood I say that I listen um let's get a wood

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counter on this podcast going yeah you do need a little wood folks you may have seen Max on our instam you may have seen

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him on our Instagram doing squirly donuts on the forklift I don't know know it could have been a paid actor I'm just saying yep it for OSHA it was definitely

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a paid actor most certainly we'll get into we'll get into what uh the the meat of the topic and the the the hardwood of

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the topics that we want to discuss after this uh I had to throw one in there uh

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also thank you to create Appalachia for letting us use the studio again here in the the back Studio as we've dubbed it

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oh yes create appalache where art meets business listen I like experimenting with Studios yeah and spaces and each

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space presents its Challenge and lighting and and we ended up landing on this one we think this we dig it fits

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the look I do c appat is a great co-working space yes built for creatives by creatives there you go than art meets

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business thank you everybody for the help this morning Jared meet and taters get us to the meet and ters we got Max in town he's in town and he's also in

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the studio um so you run a lumber yard yes sir how does one end up owning

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running hosting doing all the things at a lumber yard um so that is uh he always locked

How Max got started in Wood and discovered his passion

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wood well I did not realize how much I liked wood until about a month and a

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half ago we were watching some home videos so for my mom's I think it was

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birthday or no Christmas yeah no birthday birthday anyways um I'll do

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that a lot probably but we got all of our VHS tapes swapped nice Brianna found

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someone to do that so anyways now they're all on a now they're digital yep USB drive beautiful and so we're

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watching these and we're at Christmas and Mom says Max what do you want for

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Christmas I mean I'm like maybe one nice

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oh you're still in diapers then I mean I'm talking I'm in diapers this youth yeah and I look just like our little

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girl we just had which is crazy yeah congratulations best thing she could have got from me you know her good

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looks um we'll talk about what else she got from me but um uh but anyways um I

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said mom said what do you want for Christmas and I said I want some cool tools and a piece of wood yeah you do

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and dude I was 1 years old y that just sounds American yeah like that's just

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nuts and so then did you grow up watching Home Improvement Tim the duol man no I actually did not I but I was

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big on Mighty Machines dude I ate up Mighty Machines there you go and I had some tools and

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stuff growing up and dad was always handyman building bird houses building a dog house and I was around you know

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hanging out with we were building tree stands you know for hunting we weren't one for mobile tree stands it was like

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there's a lot of deer that comes through here this is our spot that's a good yeah those three trees right there yep that's

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perfect make platform and make us permanent here so most kids run around with a cap gun you were running around

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with a 18volt DeWalt yeah drill back then they recorded okay you wer running

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too far skill yeah accorded skill you weren't running too far with chuck on the end of it you know I remember the

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main CHS nice so so looking back it sounds like you were just always sort of

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kind of yeah it's kind of How It's funny how guys got things worked out you know oh yeah um and it's cool um because

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usually when things happen you look back and go if I just wasn't so stupid but um so that and then of course I go through

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my you know adolescent journey into my young adult and uh I worked at Boulder

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look Stone in Bristol okay um which is a stone yard so they say um you know natural Boulders they

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actually Harvest their own natural Boulders um they sell mulch they make their own mulch there right decorative

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gravel um anything to do with Landscaping pretty much and uh so anyways I I started my career there um

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was there for 10 years and got to really find my love for people and my love for

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people there I just I don't know there was something about just man if I talk to people all day I was jacked up when I

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got I was just loved it it just fueled me yeah and um and then I I started

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realizing you know this is a this is a gift from God you know this is something that he's a a lot of people yeah I mean

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it was a tool right and it was something that a lot of people don't want to do oh yeah or can't do well I mean

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personalities are different you got introverts like the thought of conversation with people like yeah stops

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people in their stresses out I mean the social anxiety oh yeah for sure and um

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and you know there are times that I have social anxiety obviously everybody struggles with everything we all have to

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have a break at some point in time yeah and so anyways I found my love for people there and the love to help people

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find what they really want right and um So within this you know working there um

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I dabbled in some reclaim stuff um you know tearing down some barns a there you

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go building some furniture out of some Barns and you know that was when the reclaim thing was really you know

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starting to roll around here um still going strong but oh yeah oh I mean it is

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the reclaimed is um but more more so now um as I got into that reclaim stuff I

Living Knot Lumber started

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had people coming up and you know hey is this K Dr yeah and it's like lightl what

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yeah what is that no it's I mean it's air dried it's fine you can work with it and they're like okay and then they'd

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fizzle out yeah and and I this came up to me the other day I was thinking about this the somebody asked me the same

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question and it was like well and I go through my normal thing and then it hit me I remember this so but people were

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asking me you know hey um do you have it kill it's like No And it's like okay

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well then I started you know a little bit of research and well K Dr it stabilizes the wood it kills the bugs um

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you know it it makes it usable and and it's you know it's not going to move on you when you build something you're not

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build of the time yeah you're not building with green and so anyway um at that time I was here to get

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married and uh people were approaching me about um the kri lumber and it's like

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look I might to get married give me some time I'll see what I can come up with local lumber yard that was very unheard

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of just a couple little guys good guys um they were closing up shop one had

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passed and one was um he just didn't want to be about doors opening yeah and

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it was weird I mean was there was a gap the door was open too long um but I

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thought about this the other day as well door was open too long in in my mind um

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but looking at it now if I would have found that Gap close that Gap a little

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better I would not have I would not have learned what I've learned now I would not be of know be as knowledgeable right

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about Lumber and K you just wouldn't have been prepped funny how that works no and and like I approached the guy

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about buying the the business and it was it was me and a guy that were kind of partnered together and U we approached

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him and um uh he told us how much and I was like well can we see some paperwork

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he didn't want to give it up and it was like this is a lot of money for something I don't know about yeah and um

Timing is everything & Pros/Cons to having a business partner

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thinking back on it like I said if if we would have just jumped in and bought the business one I would have been partners

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with somebody right and and that's always tough now there are Partnerships that work but you know sometimes it does

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sometimes it doesn't um there's pros and cons either way yeah oh yeah we talk about that Garrett and I our partners so

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we talk with people who are Solo in our industry and and truly like you can look you can write pros and cons to each like

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we can be doubly as efficient yep some ways you can't move as fast because you need to consult with your partners like

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decisions and Stu some of those processes exactly are it just it changes things and some things you cannot do on

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your own and like really obviously we know we can't do it on our own that's that's why we rely on God but um but in

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in a business sense there's some things you can't do alone and and this is one that's hard to do Alone um but um man I

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can get off track so easy like let's keep the squirrels in the brain yeah yeah let them out let's get back on the

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straighten air here but uh so anyways if if we would have just bought that business I would have just said okay

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well I'm going to sell wood but I wouldn't have taught myself the process Y and the process is what's cool about

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it yeah and so anyways um back to Boulder look and then the reclaimed

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World transitioning into kri stuff I I found a love for the grain of the wood

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what lighted underneath the different species the variety the subspecies some

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of the science and the makeup behind it yeah and it just fascinated me and I found myself kind of digging deeper and

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you know I I finally found somebody who would you know sell me a little bit of lumber and and made the the hall up

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there didn't have a truck uh didn't have a trailer that well I had a truck but

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not a trailer that could haul this so a friend of mine uh Clint Ratliff he said

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hey we we'll take my truck and and your father-in-law's goose neck up there we'll load it down and so we we Haul up

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the road load it down come back I rented this warehouse space yep um threw down

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these little packs of wood and um remember looking at it going all right let's see what happens

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what now yeah and then my wife goes she sees it she goes Max like what

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now like people can go to Lowe's and get wood they can go to the big box stores

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and get wood still true and I'm like yeah but they can't get this wood and she's like what's different about it and

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I said yeah it's my wood my it's my wood it's just you baby

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um the best wood yes it's hardwood um anyways ding ding ding wood

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everywhere but um anyway she she's not understand the difference so what no uh

The difference between box store wood and Living Knot Lumber

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which is great U but anyways um she's not understand the difference and I said well I said you know you go to the big

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box stores they've got your typical Pine you know it's it's Plantation grown it's

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you know it's grown in an expedited fashion in an Amazon way um you know

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anything online is just got to have it now and that's kind of the way that would is sure um and that's great for the construction industry um uh but um

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so I she just said okay if you think it's going to work I mean I trust you yeah and so of course I was still working fulltime at the time and I I

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would meet people from 6:30 to 8:30 in the mornings nice and then I go work you

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know all day at Boulder and then go back and I'd sell wood from 6:30 to 9:00 at

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night nice and there were some days that I didn't have anybody at the very beginning there was little traffic well you weren't I

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mean people didn't know you existed no people didn't know what you had like like anything it takes time to to to get

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established and for word to get out essentially yep and it was I I mean and really I had to do a lot of educating oh

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yes um to people about it it was you know I would I started on Marketplace

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mhm and I threw it out on there and now I wouldn't dare get on there it just get so aggravating oh yeah it's de with

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people yeah and there's one post I have on there just to kind of dangle it out there um but I'm not very interactive

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yeah um but it's anyways is this still available yes and that's and I do not

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respond to anything um uh that I get a response listen I geta I get it I put it

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anything that I ever post on Marketplace I'm I'm that guy who puts I will not I will not reply to is this available and

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by I stick to it like if somebody it's the pre it's the preformatted thing like

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button they're not interested Y kick so like I literally I I literally will not

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reply to that person yeah I said I would and I'm I'm I'm not going to at least you're honest I I do have a question

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real quick Ma so it's fun because I I learned a lot just you know day one on set with you uh doing your content about

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that educational piece of wood so you mention like the differences and and the differences that you had to explain to

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your wife to me that was very intriguing because and you can go into a little bit

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of detail what are the differences though between like your you know your Plantation grown Pines and the the woods

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that you deal with and I think the general audience probably you know would like an idea of that too yeah I've got

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guesses but I am curious I mean I'm thinking growth rings and right we know we know now we know now because you've

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explained it to us when we were with you but like the general audience I would dare say most people don't understand because they're going to come to you

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just like your wife didn't said well Lowe's is selling wood too you know wood W well so so you can you can mythbust

Old construction lumber vs new construction lumber

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this reel that I saw the other day this guy had two Tu fors and he' taken one out of a home that was built in like the

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50s or the 60s and he had a current one off the shelf at Lowe's or some big box

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store and he was showing the growth rings uh and the amount of growth rings present in this Tu before versus this Tu

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four and I believe the uh the numbers really don't matter I don't guess but I believe there were only like four in the

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the new Tu before and there were like oh yeah in the it was cut from a tree that grew for what like 50 years ex it

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grew naturally and slowly which I'm guessing the the tighter those growth rings the more structure you have um

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that's kind of to a degree yep um so and it's it's funny in the construction

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World which I don't deal in very much right um it's not your Market but but I

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have a little knowledge of it and and I can't there's so much you could go into like you can get so deep but the current

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studs that they use are actually better than the old ones really okay aesthetically pleasing

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wise the current Pine is garbage compared to the Old Pine okay right um

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which like I said we can go down a deep deep Rabbit Hole there yeah but um but there are differences at as far as you

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all talking about as you saying the growth rings that that tree was probably

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this big right or this big yeah and then the small 2x4 the tree was probably this

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big and all they all they grew that tree for was for was for 2x4 diens L 2x sixes

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yeah and so they'll get it to 10 12 in cut it down run it through a meal and

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a gangaw and and it's I mean it's literally it's a factory yeah it's an

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industry like that's what it's for they're fertilized to grow quicker all these things which is great for construction

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man and you got to throw a house up so you got to have wood readily available speaking of throwing a house up like I watch Barnwood and so you Barnwood

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Builders Yep they're always dealing in like 1800s cabins and stuff like that and Appalachia so like this ties into

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this is this is your world it blows my mind to think of the hand Hune aspect of

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it yes well first off you had to fa the tree yeah and these were not long or small trees so first off you had to do

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that then you had to move it yeah here's the other kicker that blows my mind and it happens mostly when they're dealing

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with like Oak it's like they put this up green yeah yes so the weight yeah oh

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yeah unreal those were men you know what I mean real men I mean men that had Dan

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the donkey helping them pull that's it remember Dan the donkey from the from the song No cool water oh man no I don't

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remember that either oh man but like so like it just it blows my mind to to think back to the way that things were

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they how they had to do things and and how much more automated and efficient the world gets every single day

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seriously you had to First find some land that you wanted to settle on uh

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then you had to go find popler and trees that and they didn't necessarily know it because popor was lighter they probably

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just oh that's a good straight tree yeah a good tree to cut and that's what's here so like that's that's what our cabin is going to be built out of so

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like but now it's funny like we can look back and it's like no Poor's Poor's pretty good they got checks down the

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middle we can Google it yeah yeah we have so much knowledge like readily available information out of necessity

Green lumber weighs so much more than dried lumber

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and and I'm telling you the putting it up green the extra weight that had to

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that that was associated with that beam yeah being green versus now dried out

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for 150 years yeah I mean you're looking I mean if there's an 8 by8 hand hued White Oak that's 20 foot long

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green dude you're looking like almost a ton good grief

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1500 lb good grief I mean a an old growth dense White Oak soak and wet that

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they' just went over there and carved a little bit out you know done their thing and they've spent days on this oh yeah

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MH for and then probably a day to get it up there yeah um but it is unreal um and

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then you know the the density of those old Hardwoods the old growth those trees had been there for oh yeah I mean 300

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years 200 years I mean thousands of years I mean it is it is unreal the

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lumber industry goes so deep oh yeah so deep so far no pun intended yes um well

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so let's talk about your your little corner of the lumber industry because to my understanding uh working with you and

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and talking with you you've kind of carved out a little niche for yourself um you specialize in those appalachin

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specialty Hardwoods correct correct so why did you find that important and we've talked about this on the podcast

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quite a bit when it comes to niching but again just transcending different uh businesses and business models why did

Hardwoods built Appalachia

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you decide to go that route so um be being in the heart of Appalachia oh yeah

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um you know we're surrounded by the trees like you're saying we're here appach and Hardwoods I mean that is what

28:19

built that and Cole built this oh yeah this area what's what grows here yeah yeah and exactly and so so anyways um

28:27

you know being in that Lumber industry and being intrigued by the Barns and different things and then people asking

28:32

me about this stuff yep and then I realized you know these people are asking me for this stuff but it's

28:38

nowhere to be found NOP right and all the phone calls I was making to these large production meals yep no we we're

28:45

not didn't have it no well they had it okay but they wouldn't sell it to you okay okay you well how much do you need

28:51

well I just need 100 foot ah not worth their time yeah no well if you want a hold tractor in turt Lo we'll sell it to

28:56

you okay so they wanted volume they wanted s Vol make it worth their time yeah and and the key to this industry

29:02

you know is a lot of it is volume sure um but um so that being said um

29:10

countless phone calls phone call after phone call you realized there was a void and you could feel it yes and um I

29:17

thought you know I find this interesting I've always told my mom and dad I want to own my own business yeah

29:25

you know the Lord's given me a a a special ability to communicate read

29:31

and help people right this this is this might be it yeah well seems like he provided some tools on The Upfront too I

29:37

mean oh yeah you had a goose neck trailer readily available to go pick up loads you had a space that you were able

29:43

to to work out of exactly I mean you had the things right there readily available to you I did and my my father-in-law

29:49

help he let me borrow his trailer quite often before I got longone um that's important though like yes to to to you

29:57

early on had to realize learn and accept that you couldn't do it all by yourself

You need help & can't do it alone

30:04

exactly if you had to try and do it all by yourself you just mentioned you didn't have a truck that could pull it you didn't have a trailer that could

30:10

handle the loads so like okay there are two you didn't have a warehouse so like all these things all these things point

30:16

to the fact that you know a lot of times in today's climate I feel like there's a

30:22

big push for like solo you do it yourself pull it up

30:28

pull yourself up by the bootstraps like you're doing this thing you're making this happen you're strong enough to do

30:35

it yourself you're not and if and if you if you can't well then go on yeah you

30:40

know what's funny though is is even the people who think that they do it on their own well the people who get on on

30:46

camera and spew yeah they get on the high hor I'm like sweetheart I'm self-made I'm you no there is no such

30:52

thing as self-made no no zero there even made the image of God one well that yeah but I mean even even just practically

30:59

speaking like nobody is truly self there are people that are like orchestrating things for you that you don't even know

31:05

about exactly you know and you never will that's what that's what intrigues me is like aside from God that

31:11

orchestrates things like there are people that he places that you don't even know a thing about that are having

31:16

conversations about you for you yep you'll never know it no nobody's truly selfmade anyways that that was a rant no

31:23

no I dude I love those rants because literally you there are so many people out there that I I cannot think enough

31:30

that yeah that market for me yeah and and it's just because we've we've dealt

31:36

with each other several times we've had good interactions they enjoy our quality

31:42

product um and most of them are are Faith driven people but there's some out

31:48

there that are not and you know and it's and that's okay too that gives you an opportunity it does it gives me an

31:54

opportunity it opens opens a door right um for me to to reach out and touch

31:59

people and spread the word and maybe there may be something that day they need help with they're they're really

32:04

deep struggling in something Y and and I can you know I can just spill into them a little bit I shed a little light on

32:10

them and and that's something you know that I I've been very fortunate that I've been able to do in that building as

32:16

well well you're good at it yeah we we've talked about this on another episode um and and you may or may not

32:22

have heard it but the the okay good well the the way yeah the way that you use

32:28

your business you know to essentially be your ministry I'm I'm a fan of I think

32:33

it's awesome we we saw it we saw it in action yeah you know for a full multiple times like you know with your customers

32:39

with with with anybody who walks through those those employes like man you you're doing something awesome within within

32:46

those walls well thank you and and I enjoy it like I said that the good Lord has he

32:51

has I mean blessed me beyond measure right and and I look around and I I I

32:58

tell people this often um because it is the truth I look around and it's like I don't know how I got yeah three quars of

33:05

this stuff like I know where that came from and that came from but like how did this mound up like this well so that

33:12

kind of speaks to you you mentioned it several times like I listen I don't I don't I don't claim to know exactly how

33:17

Heaven's going to be I just know I'm going and I'm I'm excited about it but like okay so I think about this scenario

How Heaven might be

33:23

that may happen right it's like you get there somebody that you've never seen walks up to you and says thank you yep

33:31

because you didn't know it uhhuh you may not have even had Direct contact with that person but like you talked about

33:37

networks and how this got here through this person and this referral ended up with this and this and that right like

33:42

it's all inwoven and connected but somebody comes up and thanks you for

33:47

what you've done you're like I don't even know you well because of the way that you ministered to this person yeah

33:53

they then turned around and led me to the Lord you know what I'm saying so

33:59

yeah it's so wild and we we truly this side of Eternity will never

34:05

fully grasp and be able to see the big picture uh of like the importance and

34:11

and and and just the well I mean just the importance of our actions and how we

34:17

interact with everybody exactly I'm talking like the McDonald's drive-through line yeah that interaction

34:23

with someone is going to influence them in some way good or bad good or bad it's up to you the person that pulled out in

34:30

front of you just now yeah I I still have to work on those I got a lot I got do a lot of improve to improve on with

34:37

those I don't I don't get it right like I oh yeah all of us are struggling with with something and getting it right all

34:43

the time yeah yeah yeah I I'm not batting a thousand I will I will say that right here on this podcast but

34:48

whether you think you are or not nobody's batting a thousand but I think that's important for for us to understand as as Believers because there

34:54

is a world out there who they see Believers as you know up we have

34:59

everything right you know we live this perfect little life um and again I've said it here on the podcast I'll go on

Church is full of hypocrites

35:07

record and say it again like if you're looking for Garrett to mess up you're not going to wait very long no you it's

35:12

going to be a short don't look too far because here it comes you don't have to take a number it's it's probably coming down the line same here I mean and and I

35:20

I think it's it's important that we talk about Sin yeah because everybody sins right there's not

35:27

the only person that did not was Jesus right and but it's important we talk about Sin so people other people know oh

35:35

okay yeah he seemed like he had it together yeah I mean shoot you send me you send me home I'm sure there's plenty

35:41

of things at home that I want to mess up on we're all monsters to some degree yeah 100% we're all Hypocrites in our

35:47

own way that's I mean you can kind of you can kind of not really get ahead of it but you can you can sort of curb that

35:55

uh that hypocrite thing thing right a little bit right if you're open if you're open about like where you fall

36:03

short yep then okay well the person who's on the outside looking in not a

36:10

Believer whatever they're looking at you and they're like oh well yeah I noticed he did that but yeah he's owning it you

36:17

know what I'm saying so it's like uh you you I feel like you in some ways

36:22

literally curbed that that hypocrite yeah talk of like y you you essentially

36:27

take the ammo out of their gun because a lot of people a lot of people like if you ask them to come to church I ain't going to church y y nothing but

36:34

Hypocrites there hey guess what that's true it's the best place for the hypocrite guess what yeah I'm one of

36:40

them and I walk in every Sunday and Wednesday you know what I'm saying so it's like come join we're not that different yeah I promise you but here's

36:46

the thing on the outside looking in a lot of people think that we are different because we do kind of like we talk about it almost every podcast

36:52

Church you walk in the door you walk in the foyer Sunday morning right right the the person's greeting you it's like how

36:58

you doing oh we're blessed it's great

37:05

favored couldn't be better you know uh got $3 million in my bank account got a

37:10

Ferrari out front two private jets five dogs three kids we didn't just spend the entire ride arguing like we didn't just

37:17

and I didn't just say really mean things in my head about the person who cut me off on the interstate like no no that

37:23

didn't happen we put this mask on right and so World sees that I wouldn't talk about the deacons and the preacher

37:29

behind their back on the way here like it's but like when you're when you're

37:34

terrible at church I hate that how you doing man you do such a great job you really do we're horrible we're all

37:40

horrible but my point is like you said if we if we need to talk about we need to be more open and honest about falling

37:48

short and sins because yeah otherwise you you give the world ammunition

37:54

essentially to be like yeah they they're just these up people who think they're better and yep no y not true at all and

38:02

that's that is one thing that I I try to communicate at church um uh and all of

38:09

us do I mean our our pastor he talks about it um Craig he talks about it all

38:15

the time about falling short I mean up in front of everybody you know he is he makes sure that they know yeah I'm not

38:23

perfect right I'm just a man I'm just a man I'm just a dude up here that the Lord is speaking through me in an

38:29

amazing way yep right now he is on fire but and and not he's well he's not I

38:34

would not say that because he'd be mad at me if I said that the Lord is on fire through him right um but it's I think it

The Movie 8Mile & Church

38:41

takes a page out of the Eight Mile Playbook okay I'm going to speak to a secular listen listen this is stay with

38:48

me I'm going somewhere M secular right all right he gets up on stage in that

38:54

last B rap battle if you've not seen the mov movie maybe you shouldn't watch it but I have so I'll go ahead and tell you

38:59

it's a great movie it's anyways he gets up there and it's a rap battle so like the whole thing is like dissing and

39:05

whatnot he goes first he immediately like tells all the things that the guy's fixing to make fun of him like yeah I do

39:11

live in a trailer park with my mom and D so it's like when the dude gets the mic to diss him he's like well heck he just

39:18

disclosed everything that I was F like I can't I don't have anything to say yeah so it's just it's similar you see what

39:24

I'm drawing like like it's similar to like yeah if you're open and upfront about it I mean they they there's no

39:31

closets I'm not seen that movie but man gosh that it's pretty good it's a great movie but

39:37

wel where you get Eight Mile and Jesus all in the same place I love it he I'm

39:43

just saying there's a parall m and Jesus there's a there's a parallel to be drawing very cool very cool oh love it

39:50

love it I don't even know where we're at man I'm just having so much fun and this is what we did last time and it's like

39:55

we need my sister here to get us back on track yeah the the the wheels fell off the wagon Bri's the principal yep we are

40:02

the children she's the principal we are the children yeah we are the world oh man I was singing that in the shower

40:07

this morning it's a good one to sing I I love now on Tik Tok everybody's like putting up Michael Jackson's reactions

40:13

to to all the everything I haven't seen those oh my gosh Cindy's going nuts and Michael just

40:20

not having it yeah you got Michael the perfectionist like I would have loved to have seen in there just like grunting

40:27

but uh yeah so Steve Winwood golly this has went 14 million different directions

40:34

but that's that's that's life with that's life with Garrett Jared and Max yeah again welcome to Faith and Frames

40:39

we go from eight mile to Jesus in in a 30 second St even thre some MJ in there some MJ yeah but no so so I guess to to

40:47

to rope things back in a bit we came to know one another through referrals so

The Power of networking and referrals

40:55

again speaking to network network and and how all the things are connected right uh what as a small business owner

41:05

and in in many ways doing it solo what challenges you've talked to this you've

41:12

talked to us off camera about it but what challenges did you find with we'll just call it social media and content um

41:19

because obviously you're on social media so like you need to be posting you know these things but like what

41:25

challenges did you find yourself you know trying to overcome yeah so um the

41:32

biggest thing for me was I can man I can take pictures and I can take videos and

41:38

you do a good job at it I love you do good job and my sister like you've got to for it oh and but it's there's

41:44

something in our DNA that allows us to you guys are creative people yeah I think so and that's um but anyway so I

41:51

see her doing it yep and then as as she's in high school she's taking pictures I kind of like you know kind of fun and then she tells me you Max you

41:58

really you know you do have a good eye for it and so anyways as I do it I I like creating content right I like it

42:05

yep but I suck at it because I I don't do it that's the thing is I'll take the

42:11

pictures that's right I'll take the video you don't suck it Crea no no that's yeah you yours more distribution

42:16

yes the distribution it never gets posted right exactly and so I cre again guilty ass charged we have hard drives

42:23

full yeah I mean it's my phone man is littered LED and I go back I'm like dang it's too

42:28

late to post that it's gone how many pictures are on your phone right now oh hang on let me look just

42:35

curious cuz you do take a lot of pictures and a lot of video throughout the day call coming in um probably

42:41

somebody wanting to buy some Lum uh there's only 17,32 only 17,000 only 17K uh yeah and

42:48

then videos let me see where does it even show your videos it's down here at the bottom now why don't they have a tab for the videos anymore I don't know

42:54

those frustrating you've got quite a few videos though too so again there's like 1700 creation content though not your

It's 100% Okay to post older content

43:01

issue here's the thing I'm going to debunk something right here live okay on the podcast you say well it's too late

43:07

no yeah no you can post it seriously you can post something you made a year ago that you never posted because here's the

43:12

thing nobody cares they don't they don't go back and like backlog the date no one knows idea the date no one knows your

43:19

content better than you right that's true so here's the thing I I I follow this person on LinkedIn and I'm starting

43:25

to see it happen more often everybody says repurpose repurpose repurpose well here's the thing you only solve so many

43:30

problems as a business so like yeah there are only so many different ways you can present it I I I literally

43:36

screenshotted two LinkedIn posts oh yeah you sent me this I sent it to Garrett I said these are posted two months apart

43:42

from the same person there might have been six words different maybe but

43:49

here's the thing it still resonated because here's the thing you're well new people saw it new people saw it and I'm

43:56

probably the exception that remembered that she had posted this almost keep of most things remember but by and large

44:03

most people don't most people don't and and so yeah don't don't let this is like your's blog conversation yeah don't let

44:11

the fact that's like no I took that six months ago and never posted it's too late no it's not post it yeah well

44:18

that's and I need to I need to uh swallow my pride on that that's I think that's a pride thing so does motion

44:24

Creative Media again we have hard drives full definition of not practicing what we

44:30

preach here right like we we we fall short of it too but like I want to encourage you to not let that be a

44:36

hurdle because yeah don't and it is I mean it's it I mean it's a big hurdle cuz I mean I think mentally we all have

44:42

that in our brain it's like I took it today I have to post it today or it doesn't matter it's it's irrelevant if I

44:48

don't post it today and it's like no nobody knows when you took that picture yeah you know they know they don't know

44:53

when you took that video yeah and who cares if the grass is green in the video and it's clearly the middle of December

44:58

and everything's dead that doesn't matter that doesn't matter 99 still yeah and it's still a product or a

45:05

service you provide well that grass is not the brand you are the brand that's true yeah taking a page out of your

45:11

sister Playbook there you go yeah but another thing too on on social media is

45:16

you know there's so many threads that that you try to operate under and you've got phone calls coming in you got text

45:23

messages you've got emails you've got Facebook messages you've got Instagram messages it's a lot yeah it's a lot and

45:31

the a big thing for me and I have to apologize to people all the time I had a customer com in the other day and they're from an hour away yep and they

45:38

don't want to make trip down here yeah if for some reason I'm closed that day because they know all most people know

45:44

that there's not a whole lot of us running around there's me and then Shane and he's there part-time and then my dad

45:51

will fill in if I need him big space for one person though yeah it is it's a you can get lost in there um and that's why

45:56

we have the bicycle man oh I love the bik seen that yep I love the bike it's the

46:02

quickest way to get from one into the other there you go um unless you're walking with the customer you don't want to ride your bike and make them walk I

46:08

think ultimate I think ultimate final form of Max is to get a one whee uh no I've got you one even better a one whee

46:16

reel just get a tandem bike yeah hey gu double I'm looking for one double it

46:21

through double it around anybody on this listening to this podcast has a working

46:26

tandem bicycle I will pay Tyler Ricker I'm calling out to you my buddy Tyler Ricker listen this would be so had even

46:34

thought of that imagine sweet imagine the experi probably need to put training wheels on it just in case just to be

46:39

safe you know sa first but either way dude that's awesome I fre you you talk about a tour of the yard yes hop on

46:49

you you remember the books growing up where the little frogs were on the tandem bicycle am I having a moment

46:55

right now yeah okay this is not this is not the uh Mandela effect everybody remembers I remember okay I don't know

47:02

the title or the author anything like that up hey seriously my buddy Tyler Ricker he has a tandem bike except for

47:09

instead of being in line you're side by side oh Lord and it has two even better

47:14

you can like reach out and hold hands it's tough you can reach watch them right at the campground I mean it's tough take my

47:21

hand and let's take this journey of the lumber yard Tyler builds all kinds of cool bikes we got to get Tyler on the

47:27

podcast one day Tyler Ricker you're going to be a future guest um get ready sir here it is he builds swing bikes he

47:33

builds everything Frog and Toad there it is Frog and Toad it's an adventure game it is real nice it is real thank you

47:39

thank you for looking that up thanks Google yeah and look there's one over there with a side by no that's not a side by side those those are in line the

47:46

side by sides are they're ridiculously yeah yeah there you go anyway you Google so squirrel um that was a good squirrel

47:53

though that was a good squirrel dude that was I I'm looking for one nice I love that yeah man I'm going to put a

48:00

flag on the back of it too well that's for safety purposes like when you're in amongst the stacks of all that himl

48:06

outside like they'll know speaking of himl yeah they'll know yeah you know

48:11

what I mean yeah little get you a little laser pointer but as you're on the tour over here you'll help sh Shane can look

48:18

out and see the little bobber going ACR get a little C system I know now get a little C system like they have at Dollywood clear in the front clear in

48:24

the back fr motion go please please keep all hands arms and feet inside the Tria

48:30

we're killing it right now we are I love it man it's rolling we had a few bullet points to discuss Gone Gone bu points

48:37

have dispersed out the window sawdust man just we machine gunned it uh well that's a lot like the day that we had uh

48:44

on set with you yeah until we had Puerto and then we kind of all went yeah I ate a little too much yeah a lot of Mexican

48:51

I was in a carb coma yeah yeah Shane was too poor thing thankfully thankfully

48:57

Brianna finally showed back up and sort of like rided the ship that went a bit

49:03

Wayward yes she she brought coffee bring coffee the second part of the day not the first part of yeah yep had re hop us

49:09

up re directed us let's uh let's Zone back in what else do we have left to do

The MANY tasks a small business owner has to juggle in 2024

49:15

so well so zoning back in back to content yes and your challenges with the content the time and then the effort

49:22

that it takes along with being a small business owner like staying on top of accounts let alone running the business

49:29

it's a lot yeah and and it is and so I mean I struggle with that and and I think there are a lot of small

49:36

businesses because I mean it's not there are people out there that will do it but most of the time it's it's expensive

49:42

yeah and because cheap no um it's you know you've got um you know most of the

49:49

time they're going to run your website they're going to run your social media they're going to run um your marketing

49:54

they're going to run all that and it's it's a good lump sum per month it's it's it's sometimes a

50:02

difficult sale I think the easiest sale is the person who's done it yeah for two

50:07

three four five years themselves and are just absolutely sick of it they know at

50:14

that point the value y it's more than the dollar right yes oh yeah but I mean it takes a while and and and truthfully

50:20

like when you're starting a business the dollar probably doesn't exist it's not Expendable right

50:26

I need I need to reinvest this because I need to do this or I need to pay my guys or you know whatever so it's like it physically may not exist but yeah the

50:33

easier sale is the person who's done it and they're like yeah I I can't keep up with this and that's me right now I mean

50:39

I'm I'm at that point where I know social media is important yeah not only to me but to my customers to communicate

50:46

product that's coming in and going out well just to keep them in the loop it's it's the easiest way to it's currently

50:53

the easiest and and especially if you're you're doing it yourself definitely the cheapest way to get exposed to new audience and so like we talked about

1 Video Vs Multiple videos (The Strategy)

50:59

this maybe on last episode when we initially were sitting

51:04

down uh with with Brianna and we're talking about creating content for you

51:10

we kicked around a couple ideas and we essentially ended up with two like loose approaches we're like let's do a really

51:16

cool branded video yeah because I know you're you're reading your website and whatnot so it's like okay that there's a

51:22

need there or we could do more a like multiple short pieces type thing and

51:29

after discussing things with you you you you explain to us it's like man I think it's really just

51:35

exposure like a lot of times if people are shopping for lumber once they know I exist and they've dealt with me or

51:41

really don't have to sell it yeah you don't have to sell it they become customers so it's like I need to find a way to get out to them spread more and

51:47

so that's why we end elected to instead of just one singular you know like really cool two three minute branded

51:54

video uh at least on the first at least on the first uh iteration we're like no Let's do let's more shotgun type thing

52:00

I'll give you a tree analogy since you're a a Woodman the the Branded piece as we describe it is your strong trunk

52:08

that's your base but your base has to have the branches the branches provide the spread they synthesize they

52:15

photosynthesize for the base so again it takes all all kinds but your your

52:21

branches we knew had to had to spread faster and further um because of of fast

52:27

growing Maples yeah you don't have to sell your product it sells itself once they know that they've got some shade

52:33

from those branches correct you know the quality product is there yeah right they it just has to be communicated out into

52:40

the world see the difference with well the difference with a branded piece is you know you're telling the world you

52:45

know th this is what I do this is why you should care your customer base really doesn't need that at least not

52:51

right now not right now they they just need to know that you're in existence because once I get them there then

52:57

obviously my mouth will not stop running and they'll go you're the hey look we got to go can I pay for this just need

53:03

take take my money and leave me alone I'll come back wife has called me 16 times where I'm at are you in a ditch

53:10

somewhere yeah no I'm I'm just chatting with Max I am in a ditch a wood ditch

53:15

with Max he won't shut up um but no that's that is I mean that's I mean I think you still got a

53:23

few to to to to still post that's something that we that's something that we like to do I want to

53:29

spread it out cuz I like them so good you done such a killer job it's like I don't want to use all these up at once

53:34

like well the thing is is like like if I do them in once a week then it's like Well then well it would be fun to have

53:39

them back up there maybe I do it no you better not do that Max sorry my phone is buzzing trying to make a sale here again

53:47

people found out about you and they want you to take their money yeah but it's um uh so we went with the shotgun approach

53:53

the shotgun approach y'all killed it with that you did thank you well and the cool thing too like obviously well G I

53:59

can speak for Garrett KN Garrett KN had a blast I don't know if you did or not you can you can that's that's I think you can look at me and tell the level of

54:05

enjoyment is obviously relative to the to the subject but we had a blast and we

54:11

think shotg approach one of our favorite things to do is to is to bat shoot like

54:16

that so like seriously we spent a day Y at the lumber yard chilling in the sawdust with Max but you still have

54:22

content that you're able to use exactly yeah we and now there's a friendship here too there you go yeah

Always witnessing to someone, somewhere

54:29

so I I want I want to hear cuz I know we've talked about it off camera and talked a lot about that day we've

54:36

briefly touched on it today I want to hear why you're so passionate

54:42

about always being on guard with essentially you're you're always

54:48

displaying some form of a witness whether that's a good witness y or a bad witness every interaction with somebody

54:55

customer employee whatever like it's you're you're you're displaying some sort of a witness right yeah why why do

55:03

you find that so easy and so important for you to do um so as a Christian um

55:09

that is our job I do believe now we can all do it in different ways um as we

55:16

spoke earlier some people can communicate to others better than others

55:21

some people do not they want a text they want to send memes um that's fine yeah

55:28

everybody's different right and so that is our job as as a Christian as a human

55:33

on this Earth is to make sure that the next person you

55:39

talk to is going to go to heaven right and and when when I have over the years

55:47

realized this is more and more and more important yeah it's like dude that's my only job uh we have one job we have one

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job job one make sure everybody's in heaven make sure everybody's saved make sure everybody knows but Jesus I'm write

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that down all nations it's uh it's in Matthew I think 28 I don't that's great in all the

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gospels but uh my point is is like go and go and make disciples yes I mean that's our one job that's our one job

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that he asked us to do one thing yeah and so I have got this Avenue that the good Lord has placed me in I'm standing

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in the middle of a street and people are coming to me yep mhm to me y

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he's sending them there yeah and it's like dude thank you I can hey we're

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going to go back to trees here I can plant a seed today yes boom that's it and who knows where it grows yeah who

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knows how fast it grows all these things right you'll never is it a pine or is it a white up who knows right it they're

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both Great Woods say it don't matter at the end of the day you planted yeah yeah and and the great thing about that is to

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keep in mind is like you may never you may not Harvest that that tree yeah they

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might 10 years down the road maybe when the Harvest comes you know what I'm saying but but but again talking about

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like that scenario that may happen when we get to heaven it's like you never know like you you don't we'll never know

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um and see I never put heaven in my mind I've never put it that perspective you can ask my wife and my stupid analogy of

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Heaven Was if you remember Veggie Tales and they like be bopped around everywhere like I haven't seen that kind

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of like like a like a Wei character but you're a cucumber and then you you're Larry yeah and then you cucumber you

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like scoot around the streets and then they talk about Jesus and then you say that way hey Billy Bob how are you today

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man I am great and he's just shining and you're like okay I'm gonna go see Linda and he goes Linda how are you that was

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okay squirrel all Christian kids remember vegy Tales yes and so my wife is like Max that's the dumbest analogy

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of Heaven I've ever heard I'm like it may be that way but I've never heard it put that way and I love that because you

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don't know and so I can no no you have no clue mm there's a song that's uh get

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fired up now there's a there's an old song it's it's very old uh somebody could probably tell me the copyright date on it but uh there's a the line is

The network of believers

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the lyric is similar to I'd love to meet the preacher who prayed for the preacher

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who so like you think about centuries even like several Generations back it's

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like okay who led you to the Lord yeah okay well this person did that probably doesn't happen if they don't get let you

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know what I'm saying so you can trace it back it's like a lineage right it goes right in with have no clue with the

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seeds and the trees and all that like if this tree did not produce fruit yeah

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then that seed would have not been yeah you it would have not been produced it would have not Fallen to the ground and

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been covered with nutrients which we in

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a sense get cold chills here yeah we in a sense the word is a nutrients we're a

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tree we're going to produce fruit good or bad yeah good or bad hopefully it's good you know rotten stuff will go

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away hopefully yeah but either way the nutrients comes in and then you grow

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another tree and then it produces fruit and it's the same thing as you're saying you know with you know Billy Bob yeah

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was witnessing witnessed to Jimbo yeah yep and then Jimbo became a Christian

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and he witnessed to Albert yep and then so a very a very easy one to to like

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conceptualize for a lot of people if you've ever heard of Duck Dynasty oh yeah Phil Robertson yeah all right his

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sister oh Uncle Sai Uncle Sai his sister uh Jan or Janet Jan anyways she if

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you've seen the blind movie if you haven't you need to really so like it's it's his story of how he came to to to

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Faith M um but his sister was very instrumental in it and she had told the

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pastor that initially started reaching out witnessing to to Phil and said look if you will lead him to the Lord he will

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lead thousands she has it's it's a Well documented statement throughout that

Being in a funk

1:00:02

family that statement is is true no matter who tells it so he's a prophet well so here's the thing like think

1:00:08

about that though that Pastor wow didn't yep you think about all the people who

1:00:14

have came to Faith as a result of of directly a Duck Dynasty Phil Robertson

1:00:20

his because he preaches and teaches and and speaks and all those things then you go a step further and his family and

1:00:25

like oh my gosh dude if that one yeah it's not even the bottom of the funnel but for for visual purposes if that one

1:00:33

doesn't come to be yep who's to say that these others you know what I'm saying so it's like it's it's it's so so preacher

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planted a family tree so important to know and be constantly aware and here's the thing you're going to have bad days

1:00:46

oh gosh dud I've had them this week I've I've been in a funk this week I don't know relate I don't know what it was um

1:00:53

and I don't it's not like lack of sleep U because our baby sleeps yeah our baby sleeps really good um I'm not sure why

1:01:01

and I'm and I'm you know I'm always blessed but there are times when you feel a little more blessed but you're

1:01:07

that's all your own thinking yeah um and um anyways I don't know why it's like

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I've been in a funk well I'm saying you're not always going to be you're not always going to be on running on F with

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the tank right like the Tank's not always going to be full you're not always going to be doing at the end of the day we're human yeah I had there was

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a road incident with the lady on my way to work y on my way to work Y and ruined

1:01:32

your whole day um it I think it set the mood for the day I don't I want to say ruin because there there's always

1:01:38

highlights in my day and and I'm a little it set a tone early on oh it did

1:01:45

I'd say you were messed up for several hours even i' say she was riding my tail and I got aggravated and so I slowed

1:01:51

down a little bit you pass you probably that moment throughout the day oh I did

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I I can't remember I don't know how many times I probably said that yeah and but then she passed me and it made me mad

1:02:04

that she passed me yeah and then I kind of laughed yeah because the next thing

1:02:10

you know come over the hill and she's caught up to the car in front of us and they're going slower than I was fast and

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guess what I did well you know what's funny our preacher mentions this a lot our

1:02:23

preacher mentions this a lot like you had all of those emotions flooding through you y I would dare say that lady

1:02:30

has no clue of any of those emotions no nor does she care she don't care you're the only one that was affected by it yep

1:02:37

she just passed you and and went along and probably got mad at the person who caught her or stopped her ahead of you

1:02:42

but as far as you go like no you didn't affect her yeah no I mean it only affected Max yep exactly why and why let

1:02:49

that affect me why but we all do it we all do it we do and and un

1:02:55

fortunately one incident truly shapes many many things like if you we've all

1:03:01

had mornings we've all had mornings where you get up you spill the coffee

1:03:06

then this happens and this you're like I need to just go back to bed and start over because nothing is going right you

1:03:14

and your kids have a boxing match trying to get them ready for school whatever and it's like it's it's just I don't

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know I guess it's important I think it's really important to be open about that

1:03:26

and to be upfront and if we're transparent with if we're transparent with those things I feel like that's

1:03:32

just I honestly as counterintuitive as it sounds to like confess to a non-believer like that I messed up five

1:03:39

minutes ago because now I've like lost some sort of credibility or whatever no

1:03:44

that is actually more it's a better witness in my opinion I think so you're a truthful

1:03:51

witness there you go you are 100% real yeah and that's and and I think that's

1:03:57

important for all of us Christians is is to be real you want people to think you got it figured out man you well I'll go

1:04:03

and tell you on this podcast I don't I don't want people to think I have it all figured out but but the

1:04:08

main Instagram just just take Instagram for granted yeah everybody Paints the

1:04:14

perfect social media oh my gosh so everybody wants to live the social media

1:04:19

life everybody wants and I don't want to say everybody because there are people like I said don't that want people to go

1:04:26

that's messed up yeah but he loves Jesus yeah yeah that's the Difference Maker is

1:04:35

is we're all the same except for we have we have the Jesus side of things yes um

1:04:41

we understand that we are all sinners we understand that we're all going to mess up but we we have that that is what

1:04:47

makes us different is we have that one thing yeah um but but to get back onto the the subject of I don't know that was

1:04:53

probably 10 minutes ago go um of uh why do I feel like it's important and you

1:04:59

know like I said he's sending me people right I mean he's just sending me people Y and um you know thank you Lord thank

1:05:05

you for that you know help me help me be the light to somebody today I can save a life today yep yep literally I could

1:05:10

save a life today not just saying I've saved a soul and in 10 years when they

1:05:16

pass away they're going to heaven right I may have the opportunity somebody comes into there yeah somebody May

1:05:22

somebody might be there yeah and they Darkness right then yeah but but they either one God sent them to me to help

1:05:29

me save them two they came there knowing there you go Max yep is different cares

1:05:36

Max cares and if I go to talk to Max I I think it'll help dude I want

1:05:43

that I want people to come in there and I can run my mouths all day long and but but the best feeling that I get

1:05:51

is when I talk to I get in there and I come in there where people gosh I just really flubbed that up but people come

1:05:58

in there and they they genuinely want to talk to me yeah and it's not just you

1:06:04

know beating around the bush shooting the ball right it's they they want to get something out they want substance

1:06:11

they want substance and they they know that there is some substance there and I cannot quot quote scripture I I can't do

1:06:18

that but but God helps me communicate in a different way that's that's the thing and I'm okay with that yeah that's the

1:06:24

that's so important is to understand that not everyone is called to preach

1:06:30

not everyone's called to teach a Sunday school class but like okay there was an analogy brought up I was talking to somebody they said find your trash can I

1:06:37

was like what does that mean no this person at church handles all the trash cans and

1:06:44

the trash bags he does it in a specific way and he loves it like so find or find

1:06:50

your bell to ring like there's one person at church who without fail like clockwork Rings Rings The Old

1:06:57

Bell find your bell yeah find your bell I like that yeah yours isn't spouting

1:07:04

scripture off right no that's fine I can look it up not he's not asked you to no

1:07:11

you may get there one day that it may change and well not everybody not everybody that can quote scripture has

1:07:16

substance either like yeah exactly I me anybody can memorize words you know but you have to have substance behind those

1:07:23

words yeah exactly and it's and and the Lord is another thing is he's he's given me a

1:07:31

broad variety of situations that I have went through in my life I've faced adversity I've faced death loss um you

1:07:40

know people making fun of you oh yeah um people that just don't believe in you I

1:07:45

mean he's given me such an array y of situations that I can relate yep to a

1:07:52

good amount of people someone else is currently in those shoes that you were in 12 years ago and there are some that

1:07:58

I'm like man I don't know I can't relate gosh I wish I could help you and it kills me struggle but I know somebody

1:08:05

usually that's been there there you go again and I've been open refer them yeah I've been open about my um my stupidity

1:08:13

yeah and about my other situations and so that may help them go hey go see Max

1:08:21

yep or Y they can go hey I had a buddy go through this one time and um you know this is this is what I remember him

1:08:28

saying yeah and so gosh man I can get deep into this I love this I really

1:08:33

think we' only tapped I mean we don't have a deep route right now uh We've scratched we're just like we're just

1:08:39

like the maple routs that are just sprawling amongst the across the top I'm sensing an on location part two

1:08:45

definitely going to have to have a part two yeah I'm down with Max but uh thank you for coming on thank you all thank

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you for coming on taking time out of your day app uh I know that's difficult as a small business owner I get it but

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we appreciate the sacrifice appreciate the knowledge I think our audience will appreciate conversation I hope so I think our audience will appreciate it I

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hope so and on that note there are some things that our audience can do like and surprise oh yeah for max if if you want

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