Episode 29 - “Film Photography vs Digital Photography” - Part 1

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we have a whole country fronting on social media I

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see so many like horrible photographs wow you can ruin an entire

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role of film if I want to go t photo I just zoom right on in there

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huh or if I want to go wide I just can you do that a little closer to

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the mic I love the oh you want the sound ASMR right here

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ready wow you want to come back interesting oh here let me give you an

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ASMR right here oh shoot I saw that at the corner of my eye

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and the monitor over there and uh let's just say I believe it was Overexposed for a moment ah it'd be okay this one

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was not Overexposed this one will be a perfectly curated film at pictor let me

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go ahead and tell you what the audience wanted to see though what was not an

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Overexposed screen and I believe that's what two cameras just got we'll have to

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see time will tell we'll have to see we time will certainly tell time will tell

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time will tail So speaking of time and telling and stories

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and whatnot uh this one should be fun this one's going to be interesting it's

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definitely going to be interesting you have an assort assortment of toys it's almost like the uh the

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stupid uh Darwin Evolution thing thing you got going on

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here I was going to say it's like showand tail it's like it reminds me of Elementary School kindergarten show and

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tail I remember as a kid growing up and it only happened one time because I was only in kindergarten once true so it

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only happened in kindergarten one time it happened I don't think you get held back too often in kindergarten I'm sure it's happened somewhere anyways I

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remember after Christmas coming back from Christmas break we were all encouraged to bring in our favorite

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present oh okay that's what this is reminded me of right now I'm going back to that little moment sitting in Miss Spears's kindergarten class going around

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our little carpet Circle yeah and and bringing in our our favorite gift from that year I too had Miss Spears but I do

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not remember bring your gift to school uh bring your gift to school day the

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only thing the thing that I remember the most outside of the nap times that I used to hate which now I would love wish

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I could have those back um what is nap time is uh we had this

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bear that you got to take home I remember the bear yeah and you had to write a story about it and uh you know

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what you guys did that night those things I remember that I remember n Spears was a gem yeah she was a gem she

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she actually had well I'm certainly not going to use the word pleasure um she had the experience we'll

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say it that way uh of teaching 34s of

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the the Collins Clan she retired right before Kylie oh so she had Lan yeah wow

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we were all Miss Spears Miss Spears Le I thought she retired shortly after me wowm nope nope she uh I think she

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retired not very long after Trey though okay so Kylie didn't get to experience kie did not get yeah I know poor Kylie

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uh I would like to see that see that woman yeah she was a sweetheart speaking

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of teachers all right I'm going to get your get your opinion so maybe we've talked about this maybe

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we haven't but I'm currently Facebook friends with several of my past yes instructors same

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okay when if and when they interact with my posts and say like oh I like this

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picture or anything to that effect uh and I respond thank you you like for

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instance the one that just came to mind and she she she uh she calls me out on it all the time and I just I cannot I

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cannot let myself do it Miss King Suzanne King Miss King I actually had

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her for two she moved up from fifth grade to sixth grade so I had her two years in a row I had her in seventh

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grade um but uh anyway so I gu she was Miss King t uh language arts

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English when she comments on my posts and I go to say something like thank you Miss King she gets on to me and she says

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Sue please and I'm like yes I can't I cannot I can't make I can't let you are

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Miss King to me that happened to me very recently in person actually I can't miss

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King but with another I'm same with like former coaches and stuff too like I can't I I don't know there's still this barrier of respect something that like I

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cannot I can't call you by your I've always known that was your first name yeah I'm going to call this person out

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cuz his his family I believe is a part of our audience and it'll it'll crack them up too but Mr Teague Mr Bill Teague ah okay manager

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at Engles yeah uh I saw him the other day at Les yeah and I just shalant or

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nonchalantly you know as I was checking out saying how's Teague well no I just said How's Mr Teague doing today yeah I

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said it's just bill but I'm great yeah yeah well I can't I I can't so the Teague Clan out there just know that

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Bill's great like even even even when I see like coach Murphy yep still coach

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I'm not going to call the man Ben no like he'd probably answer to Ben he probably expect me to call him Ben but I

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can't like I just can't um and I guess part of that stems from um early on it was actually my

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fifth grade year at in basketball at do I had coach white Uh Kevin White

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yep and we ended up having to run if we did

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not he was trying to teach us something if we did not refer to him as coach White just respect it's just a respect

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trying to teach us something and um wasn't coach it wasn't coach white wasn't Kevin yeah which a lot of us knew

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him as Kevin because he'd been around so it's like we just couldn't coach white and so part of it just stems from from

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that lesson that I learned from you know uh calling him Coach why and so the

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teachers are the exact same thing like I cannot you're misig to me yeah well it's just a sign of respect for your elders

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yeah well and it's weird because outside of the realm of education Miss K it's not the first time

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Miss King has has has has requested that I call her Sue and I've told her every time and I'll probably continue to tell

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her every time like I can't I just can't cannot call you sue you're Miss King to me I see that I see that you're Miss

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King to me I've talked to other people about it and they're like no I won't have any trouble I like I don't know mentally I've just got the like I can't

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I still call you mister or misis yeah or Miss depending on your whatever whatever your surname is can't uh can't do

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it I don't know I love hear from our audience on that actually cuz that's kind of a that's a bit of a polarizing

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that is polarizing do you still call your teachers by their teacher name public or you're their first name or on

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social media you know like can you let yourself you know I'd like to know I I

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can't I can't I'm I'm of the camp that know comment down below if you're on YouTube and if you're a audio audience

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well comment wherever yeah send us a DM I really would like to know because

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maybe I'm just the only idiot and weird person in the world that I do it too so it happens it happens

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speaking of polarizing topics we have a polarizing topic today Captain yeah we'll get into what's the best thing

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about

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Switzerland I don't know I don't know either but the flag is a big

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plus that's a good one that's a good one nailed that one yeah plus 10 kudos for that was not expecting that a little

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less polarizing than what we're going to talk about but po that's a good one I like I like the flag's a big plus you dang right is a

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yeah I think they've got some pretty Countryside too uh yeah oh whoa whoa whoa whoa and they have the goat the

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goat himself Roger feder he's Swiss

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yeah uhhuh which one of my oh I was thinking um the doll he's Spanish yeah

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my favorite Rafael NAD doll he's the bull Spanish yes yep a Roger oh R I know that yep wow

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okay makes sense now doesn't it he's gorgeous athletic just huh the goat interesting yeah my

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father-in-law conly remin Noak would be the goat now but yeah he's had a pretty

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stout run no's had a good run um

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yeah definitely had a stout run my father-in-law they they are my in-laws

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went to Europe and they toured a lot of the Alps I remember that and uh my

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father-in-law constantly reminisces and literally misses uh the the mountain

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side and the countryside there because it's just I don't know it's it's all in all the photos I've ever seen it looks

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very Grand it does and it always looks like immaculate yeah like it it's you

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know what I'm saying like it does it looks like you always have two seasons because at the bottom of those mountains it's always nice and sunny and beautiful

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and golden and warm and then at the top you got snow well but like even like picture perfect yeah there but it always

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feels like it's in place and it doesn't feel as though like they have like and and maybe maybe it exists somewhere but

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you know if you're driving along here MH you're going to see beauty but you're also going to see like growing up

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patches and stuff like that you know I don't feel like that ever exists in anything that I've seen from over there

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it's always like pristine well if you look at our mountains right now which we're you know just now getting in springtime so we're still knocking off

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the winter but like our Winters are pretty ugly yeah they're pretty dead and brown and nasty they're pretty bland I

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don't feel like that happens with the with the Swiss well I mean obviously I'm not there to experience it in person and I'm just living vicariously through what

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I see on social media but uh and we all know that that can be a a front it and that's what I'm saying gr do we have a

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whole country fronting on social media I don't know well actually your fio would argue that they're not fronting well I

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mean they went in the summer so they were seeing Oh okay Lush time as well too so who knows the best of the best

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like it meat taters Jed get us to the meat and ters you said we have a polarizing topic today yeah it's

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polarizing in the uh uh mostly in the photography world yes which we are a quotequote

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photography I I I certainly enjoy photography it's uh my first love so to

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speak in the uh in the Arts realm um film versus digital o this one is spicy

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yeah there's recently been a pretty good Resurgence of film uh along with that has

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came some negatives uh we can talk about that yeah well there you go I switched

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to there uh in some cases um but uh yeah I there's been some not great things

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come from this Resurgence that it kind of grps my gears or grinds my gears them or grinds them it might it's a GP of

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mine but it grinds my gears so uh yeah um film versus digital

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so I'd say most people of our age MH

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remembers either one of their parents having uh

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a Nikon or a Canon something a film photography Fil A film yeah that was G

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to be my next thing or disposable were big you know uh so that used to be well

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that coupled with like your Olden Mills yeah that was photography yeah that was how you had a photo was film yeah um

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that's how family trips got documented was with film um we we were of both

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camps growing up we we would dabble in the disposables but my mom also had a Canon A1 which is now in Your Arsenal

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yeah I've got to find all the pieces to it um we're we know it exists somewhere

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in the house but we've not been able to put to put uh put fingers on it so still

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anxious to see if I can uncover that see if it works that' be kind of cool you said the A1 uh the ae1 not the program I

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have the program that's right you have the program okay my myom A1 had an ae1 so it looked just like mine just didn't

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have the program features um so anyways yeah film there's been a big Resurgence

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if you've been spent any time on social media you've probably

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seen people dabbling back with film or trying to emulate the film well that's been something that's been a while right

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so like your Instagram filters those things a lot of them will even like name

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after a film stock right so like your filters that you're putting on top of your digital photo to make it filmes to

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have your grain to to mess with the colors to to because film had certain

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color characteristics um yeah we've always been trying to emulate film with

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digital um you can get close but I think a trained eye can typically Spot the

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Difference and like 99 times out of 100 um but uh yeah film film versus digital

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it's uh very polarizing so in in what way right now do you think that film is polarizing because I know and there's

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arguments that can be made for both I mean obviously with the with the forthcoming of digital photography and

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and I'll go ahead and say this when digital first came out it was pretty bad I mean it it took a while for digital

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cameras to get to the place to where they are like today or even like five years ago right uh we really started

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getting some good digital options yeah I would say with like the Canon 5D Mark I

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yeah that maybe even 5D Mark 1 like those were when digital cameras were finally to the point to where because I know I have I have photographers in my

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family who refused to switch to digital because the first digital camera

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offerings were were terrible yeah they weren't good they weren't terrible so at this point in time though now we do have

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digital cameras that are great that you know the the dynamic range if you know what that is is just insanely good they

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can retain so much highlight and Shadow detail whereas film struggles with some things like in the shadows but why why

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do people feel like there is a side that has to be taken cuz I've seen that recently on social media there are so

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many folks that are like I'm selling all my digital cameras to go back to film or I've had some people say I'll never

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touch a piece of film like why is it such a polarizing subject I don't know why people decide or or make themselves

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decide that it has to be an either or thing I'm I'm personally and I think you too you as well are of the camp of like

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I enjoy both um now I think where

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people I I really don't though like it blows my mind I don't know why it's so polarizing like why can you not just

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appreciate both of them because they're they're different they're different like it's still photograph and you're still

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like capturing light you're capturing a moment yeah um but it it's they're

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they're just different uh and so in what ways are they different though because at the end of the day like the goal is to get a picture a usable image I me how

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are they different well they have pros and cons uh they each have pros and cons and and you just kind of got to figure out like which cons you're uh want to

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deal with or which Pros may be more worth it for you uh in a workflow uh scenario but like so the difficult thing

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with film today MH is cost yeah huge barrier of is cost it's it's it's cost

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because like in a 35 millimeter sense you're going to you're going to pay eight

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to some kind some cases up to 15 bucks just to buy a roll of film try up to

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like 30 bucks because kodak's most expensive film stock which is ector Chrome is 25 plus tax okay so what he

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just stated was is that a 24 or a 36 that's a 36 okay so for

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36 possible yeah possible usable images good shots yeah it cost you $25 just to

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buy the roll of film just to buy those possibilities yeah so so so the the the

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issue with film the biggest issue that I have with film and what keeps me from doing more of it is is just the cost and

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it's also a speed workflow thing MH um but like it costs money to buy the film

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yeah you then have to hopefully manipulate your camera

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appropriately where you don't screw the pooch on sc% film can't be exposed to

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light and like there's it's it's a more sensitive process in that regard um and then

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once you've expended all 24 or 36 exposures you then have to either

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develop it yourself which takes knowledge and chemicals all these things or you pay to send it off to a lab yeah

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to get it developed and then you get it uh sent back to you via jpegs very high res jpeg scans and sent back so that

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additionally cost so like just a normal role of like say ultrax yeah cheap film it's pretty cheap film compared ly uh by

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the by the time it was said and done you've probably got 20 to $30

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in the possibility of having 24 photographs yeah um and in my experience

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with film I am certainly not bat in a thousand so of a 24 roll which is common

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they're always in 24 or 36 and 35 for whatever and 35 mm very rarely you'll find a roll that's like a 10 shot roll

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oh wow I I haven't come across that so of a 24

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roll uh I can pretty well go ahead and like guarantee you at least five of them are going to

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be like straight trash yeah not usable I messed something up I I was yeah the

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image just comes out brown yes not good okay so of 24 we're down to 19 possible

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usable images I was say of those 19 like how many do you actually like enough to do anything with right so so the

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workflow for film to me is just it's not I don't do a lot of it um because it is

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costly now you can mitigate a lot of that if you want to develop in scan develop in scan in house which I'm

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currently working toward again there's a cost associated with that too right you've got to learn the skills the times

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for development buy the chemistry sets right the chemicals then you got to have

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which there's there's methods to scan um I was going to say I've been experimenting lately with a couple of like I guess we'll call them Indie

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scanning methods cuz if you don't have access to or don't want to Fork out the dollars for an official you know like an

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Epson v600 or an actual nice scanner right um there are options like I've

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been literally scanning film negatives with my iPhone yeah as of late just to mitigate scanning costs um and you can

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also scan with a modern digital camera so that's where those two those two mediums are now meshing uh quite a bit

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because of the expense of film yeah barring expense though you mentioned the

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workflow so we obviously know that that film certainly longterm is more expensive than digital digital on The

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Upfront more expensive cuz digital cameras are now more expensive you can buy a good used old film camera for

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anywhere between like literally 15 and many dollars you want to spend I have a $15 camera in my

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closet that is beautiful right beautiful little camera um founded at an antique store yeah um so yeah Sky's limit and

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then the the basement is limit for for cost on the actual camera right versus digital where literally looking at

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thousands of dollars now yeah well I mean you can um so so for me and I think

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had had there not been a scan option I would feel completely different about

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film but for me another big reason why I don't do more of it is simply because

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what I'm getting back is not a 4x5 or an 8 by10 right because that's us that used

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to be how you got it well you can still get it way but it's going to cost you right but that was the only way to get it back in the day you got your develops

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NE or you got your negatives developed and then it got printed yep so you got a photo album right you had your your

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literal photo albums that's where you had your wallet photos like all those things and and I'm sure our youthful

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super youthful audience probably has no idea what I'm talking about but they're literally used to be wallet size that you would carry around like family

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photos they're clicking away as we speak yeah it was a thing and that was the thing like at grocery stores you'd see

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somebody as like let me show you my grandbaby right now we just show her phone yeah here's my phone out or they've already seen it on Facebook or

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whatever but so if it if it was more tactile in the sense of the the payoff

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had to come to you in a print I would probably be a little more apt to do it but because it's already coming back to

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me Y in a digital form I I'm of the camp as like I can way

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way way more cost effectively just shoot a digital image you can um and

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especially long term yeah long term um as you think about it you know from a from a role of film like you said we

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either get 24 or 36 possibilities that's not even guaranteed exposures um because knowing me I'm going to botch half of

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those but on a digital sense like you can fill an SD card time and time and

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time and time and time again until it goes bad maybe eventually that SD card goes corrupt well but you're going to

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have so many more opportunities from that initial upfront purchase of digital right right so simply from a cost

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effective standpoint you know the the polarizing subject between the two digital certainly more cost effective in

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the long run definitely cost effective I think the big draw though and and again I think it just comes back to I really

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think the big draw is Nostalgia yeah it it film does have certain characteristics

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that I don't think are I don't think they're duplicatable not you can get close get close you can

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emulate you can emulate you can get close I don't think you can duplicate but I think it's more of a Nostalgia thing for instance uh Preston our buddy

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at Star Fitness he he breached out and he goes hey do you guys do anything with film like yeah he goes I think I'm

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wanting to start taking like I want to get a film camera and start taking

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photos right of just daily life type stuff and I was like okay whoa well so I

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started qu I started quizzing I started quizzing I was like so what why why yeah why do you want to well he goes well

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it's the look I like okay all right hear me out I explain the price thing um I

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also explained the uncontrollable variables you know even if you've got a

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completely automatic Little Guy totally automatic you don't

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control the physical role of film like there could have been a defect right that you'll never know until you go to

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get it developed right devel um so we turned him on to Fuji yes

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like this one which this is a Fuji a lot of them look retro they have a they have

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an older tactile hang on here's your ASMR so that'd be your f- stop your aperture

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so but they have an older look to them that's how they design them yeah there's a Fuji film camera which is not an

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actual film camera with an actual film camera dang I should have brought my little one in cuz it's I told it's gray

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like it's and black it almost looks like that KnockOn there you go audience um but so we turned him on to Fuji yeah

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because Fuji is digital yeah uh you can pick up used ones for easily sub 1K

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easily sub 1K all day long uh that's that's glass and everything all day long

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and they do a really good job of film simulation they do so straight out of camera you can get a JPEG that has a

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film look very close film characteristics and I've actually done uh we've actually done walks where we

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yeah like I had ultrax in my film camera shot the exact same composition with a

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recipe or a sim a simulation film simulation and they were close yeah they get close they were close um so bang for

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buck speed controllable variables we turned him on to Fuji yeah

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because what he was after was the look and the feel I was going to say for someone like the for someone like Preston I have to compartmentalize

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because my my my hyper fixation

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brain cannot for me um let go of the process of film so

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you mentioned you know workf flows faster and that's attractive for me or the the workflow with digital is more

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attractive because it's Speedy um for me the workflow with film is so attractive

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because it is not fast at all certainly a slower thing it's a slower literally from the the shooting all the way to

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getting an image physically in front of your eyes I mean I have like 20 rolls of film in my closet right now that I have

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no clue what's on them I've shot them they're expended they're ready to go be developed yeah but I've just not sent

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them off to be developed um or I've not taking the time to develop them myself but for me that is so exciting it's

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almost like Christmas because I have 20 presents waiting in the closet for me

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right now you may have 20 nightmares I might have 20 nightmares but again it's the it's the not knowing right that's so

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attractive to me and and sure you can probably look back through the time that I spent shooting those rolls and if none

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of them come back you can say that it's wasted yeah I'm certainly an argument for that but I would say the experience

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alone for me that's really what it is with the film of course it's the look it's a look that cannot be duplicated

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right um certainly can be emulated but can't be duplicated but for me it's that physical tactile process that keeps me

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coming back even though I know it's UNG expensive yeah it's super expensive so

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so for me because of the speed because of all these other variables like cost

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like the finite 24 exposures it slows me way way way down

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to the point of and and it's almost to a fault so it's like I either I either need to like give myself a lot more

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grace to to shoot something that you know I may otherwise like him

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and H about like do I want to take a photo of this do I not I've only got 24 yeah just shoot it um whereas most of

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the time I don't so what that does for me even on like a roll of 24 what I'll end up doing is I'll end up

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having like three or four different walks yeah on the same role F where you

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go back and I I actively do that well so what it ends up being is so much time it may take me six months to to to to shoot

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a roll slow film shooter can age when I go do get when I do go and get that

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developed it truly is a surprise I don't remember what all I put on this rooll of film let alone did I get my settings

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right so this is what's hilarious is because for me it's surprise it's a surprise because I blast through them so fast that I'm on to the next role before

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that one's had time to quit smoking um it it's it's funny the different mentalities even with the same medium

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like we we both shoot film but we shoot it so differently you shoot it very conservatively yeah I

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you guys saw the beginning of the episode I just blasted a film shot of the inside of this room here might as

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well might as well but yeah with certainly with digital I mean I can

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going back to tactile just fire off it's like a machine gun this is ASMR

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today well so aside from aside from the the physical I was going to say aside

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from workflow speed of the of the film process and because I don't get it developed and I don't know part of it's

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a control thing too like I I would almost rather develop it myself because

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um I have heard horror stories of sending rolls a film

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off getting your NE or getting your scans back being very very very unhappy

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with the results and so what I dislike about that is I I don't control that and

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so it's like maybe the image would have been bad anyways but you can ruin an

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entire role of film if you don't develop things properly you mess the times up you didn't you didn't adhere to listen I

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pushed it a stop I pulled it a like whatever you can mess the whole roll up yeah to where even once you get it into

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a digital JPEG and those memories are gone you can't you can't even edit it to where it would have been right to where

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it's fixed to where it would have been fixed it's like that I also don't like that aspect so like with digital for

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instance you know right and there if you boted it yeah you have full control feedback instance like oh no I messed up

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let me reshoot that um so yeah it's one of those things where I didn't grow up

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shooting film like professionally and a lot of it probably just has to do with not having enough reps to feel confident

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to do it on I don't know like paid work or something or on a higher volume or on a

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higher volume um I think I've shot funny enough I think I've shot one as as much

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film as I do shoot I've shot one um piece of client work on film and I was

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actually happy with the results I was and that was when I was pretty early on in film too yeah I was there on that shoot you actually shot digital backups

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I did shoot digital backups I did shoot digital backups just to to cover your butt there just just in case just in

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case it was a senior session you don't want to give a crappy senior session you don't want to give a crappy senior session but I I I was happy with those

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results but going going over to then like the the control aspect of things so we've already talked about the workflow

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between the two the the workflow between film and digital obviously slower uh for film the control though with digital and

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maybe this is the case that you're making for digital is that other than the speed the reason that you prefer it

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as your medium or which side of the tracks do you even fall on I mean well I mean if are we polarized in this

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subject tune in next Monday for part two