Episode 16 - "Back Porch Antiques" Feat. EJ Swatsell | Antiques and Appalachian History

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We've got a cool guest today.

We do a local staple in the community.

Wait till his intro comes and it's.

Oh, you've got a good intro for him.

The list of accolades.

Oh my gosh.

No less than 3 miles long.

That's right.

Yeah.

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I'm pumped.

This is going to be a fun episode today.

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We have a guest.

We do have a guest, none other than local store owner, pastor.

You're going to have to take the rest of this former.

Owner Well, let me, let me, let me back it up.

I'm going to go down the chronological list because the first meeting that I had with this fellow, this fine gentleman was at the gym many years ago.

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So I'm going to say former gym goers, still probably a current gym.

Could be a current gym.

Goer Gym, Goer pastor, small business owner, antique aficionado, car lover, YouTube sensation.

An overall good guy.

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Mr. EJ, you're two kind guys.

How are you this morning, Sir?

I'm very well.

I'm caffeinated.

I'm among good friends.

Beautiful.

All is well, beautiful.

All is well, that's.

What we like to hear.

Yes, glad to have you on this morning.

Thanks for having me absolutely.

I've said it a million times, I don't know how we get high profile guests on this, on this production here.

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Just somebody feeling sorry for us poor saps again, but I'm excited to Lord Might.

Be the Lord at work.

Yes, he's he.

Feel sorry.

For us, by no means high profile, but thank you for your kindness.

Wait, we appreciate you being here this morning.

EJ, you have when you're wearing the hat.

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Yeah, you've got the hat on.

And branding.

Yeah, it's, it's branding.

And and that's kind of what we wanted to talk with you about today because going down that list of accolades, one that I had mentioned was antique aficionado and here locally and and from off camera conversations seems like getting to be a little nationally known as well.

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IDK maybe.

Well, I want to dive into your your antique journey and we may branch off into some other things, but you are someone who has taken that industry, at least here locally.

I'm going to call it to another level by bringing in a few modern modern media practices.

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Techniques.

Techniques, practices.

And I I just wanted you to back, Hang on, let me backtrack.

I'm going to have to cut that.

How to get into?

Yeah, how to get into it?

Let's see.

So just start with so before we talk about those.

Before we talk about those.

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Let's let the audience know how you got into antique.

Yeah, there we go.

OK, beautiful.

OK, so do I need to start that whole section over then?

No, I think you can cut right where you stopped talking and said we need to cut that and just come right in because what you said was you've used a new practices, techniques etcetera but before we talk about.

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Those.

There we go.

OK, there we go.

Sorry, but before we get into all that, can you just start us from the base, The base of your love of antiquing?

All things old, all things that need new owners and new lovers.

Just.

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Take us from What got you into that?

Sure thing.

Well, it's small town American history.

I love history.

I love old stuff.

Going to sound like a little bit of nerd here, but it is a nerdy field and we're going to own it.

But when I was small, my grandmother actually loved antiques.

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She didn't have a lot, but I was always intrigued by the stories that each one of those pieces told.

So kind of one of my tag lines, even in the business, is every piece has a memory or every piece has a story.

So early on she would tell me where this stuff came from.

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Either her grandparents, and I could imagine in my mind the time that those were prevalent, being used, those were being enjoyed, whatever the case may be, And that developed into a love for old cars.

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I like like old cars, old hot rods, I love the thought of the 1950s diner, those sorts of things.

And I've been building hot rods since before I had a driver's license.

As a matter of fact, my very first car was a 1934 Plymouth Nice and I was 13 years old and I brought it home in 7 pickup truckloads.

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So it wasn't a full piece then?

No, I was driving it by the time I was 16.

Nice.

That's more of a common occurrence than you realize.

My my dad and I used to restore old tractors growing up.

Yeah, I restored many tractors with my dad.

We brought home a John Deere 430 in buckets on a Goose Neck trailer before.

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So I'm I'm akin to bucket belonging.

Did you need the goose neck trailer for the buckets?

Yes.

There were that many buckets.

Wow.

You got your transmission, your rear end, everything.

That's impressive.

Love it.

Got a few old tractors too, like like that sort of thing.

But anyway that developed into again an even deeper love for history.

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I mean it could have been automotive motorcycle, I love antique motorcycles.

I have a a deep love and and almost a passion.

No passion before my Lord, but for local history where what developed our community into what it is?

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You may or may not know it, but did you know that Greenville, Tennessee was one of the first Harley-Davidson dealerships on the East Coast?

I did not know that.

I certainly didn't.

A man by the name of Bush Holly, who was a World War 2 veteran and also was a Greenville policeman, had a Harley-Davidson dealership.

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He and my grandfather rode motorcycles together.

I actually have in my personal collection an antique license plate that was on one of his Hartley's but baffled.

Right, I'm intrigued.

Definitely worth, you know, if you can Google search that Definitely worth some stories.

Jerry Hartzell on antiques on Depot has actually some of the paperwork originally where they were granted a charter for that Harley-Davidson dealership.

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My goodness in Greenville, Tennessee.

That's right, Greenville, Tennessee, out there on McKee St. almost at about Lake St.

Greenville actually has a lot of checkered, motorized history.

A vehicle owned once by Adolf Hitler was discovered.

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Know that story?

Yep.

Yep.

In what's now creamy cub, essentially, yeah.

I mean it's it's impressive our our little town has a big history.

Do you remember the movie Tucker?

No.

With the automobile that had three headlights and they turned with steering wheel, they never made it into full production.

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Although I do know what vehicle you're talking about, yeah.

There was a dealership in Greenville.

Really it's it was across from where the light and power is now.

However, the production ceased before they got a vehicle.

Now was that in the Jones Hardware building that is now Rock City?

Somewhere right there.

OK, I'm not sure exactly where, but I there's.

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Also like a factory beside it that could definitely have been manufactured.

Might have been OK.

This would just have been like a sales dealership.

Gotcha.

Gotcha.

OK, but I love stuff like that.

I kind of dove into my undergraduate degree in history.

I have a degree from Milligan in history.

I specialized in American history, but also focused in ministry courses there.

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I knew I was going to ministry and expected it probably to be a part time endeavor and then actually right out of college had the opportunity to be a full time youth pastor at City Creek Church of God in southern part of Greene County.

So another story for another time My.

Dad calls that God's country.

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That is God's country out there, Cedar.

Creek is a beautiful area.

Oh, it is a very beautiful area.

And also an eclectic history.

But I love that history.

And that's that's why I do what I do in the antique world.

Because every piece has a story.

And I can share the thought of history.

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I can share the thought of the love of that region.

Actually, I'm in Graduate School now at ETSU.

I'm studying Appalachian studies.

That's cool.

And it's, you know, really a degree about half public administration and half regional studies.

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OK, I'm doing my masters thesis on Harmon pottery.

Are you familiar with?

The from Chucky, right?

No, that's that would be Decker pottery.

OK, gotcha.

But Harmon pottery, they were involved.

Some people in that area were involved with the bridge burning incident during the Civil War in Mohawk.

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Oh.

OK, yeah, long story.

I don't know if you got time for that or not, but.

I will talk about that off camera.

I'll say that I'm ready to hear that one.

One thing that you you mentioned, and I don't want to gloss over it, your grandmother always had antiques.

Absolutely.

And so a lot of people would consider our our great or grandparents hoarders.

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But I see a meme that pops up all the time and it it, it was really popped up when inflation really kind of started to to ramp up.

It said you all were about to find out why your Mamaw kept your tin pans and so no, they they could have easily been looked at on the outside as hoarders.

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But no, they went through the depression where they had nothing and so they they realized once they did have something, I may use this again and I'm kind of the same way I keep like pieces of wood and stuff.

Like if I'm doing a little obscure one off woodworking projects, I'll have an off cut or something.

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I'm not throwing that away, you're.

Going to need it.

At some point, or at least that's my that's why I keep telling myself, right.

And so yeah, I I think, I think that's really important to note about that generation is no, they weren't hoarders.

They they just went without.

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Yeah, they didn't have a.

Lot and they and so once they got, they were tamed.

Good stewards, man, That's biblical.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

There, there does.

There does come a point though, and I'm going to say this whenever we cleaned out my granddaddy's house, because my granddaddy lived through the Depression he had boxes of things in his walls in.

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The walls like behind the behind the handling or the sheetrock?

Boxes of like blenders and toasters.

I'm like granddaddy.

Why are you keeping these boxes again?

Lived through the depression.

Thought he might need them in in his golden age too.

But there is something about the the preservation.

I respect the preservation of of the antiquing world.

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Again, I I grew up restoring tractors with my dad.

So that was our thing.

And and we specialize in antique tractors.

But I I have grown in my older age to respect a lot of things antique not just tractors but I and again like you EJI respect the story that comes along with the piece.

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So for you and I'm, I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this question.

Is it the piece itself, or is it the story that you really find yourself getting attached to?

I think it's the story and the ideal.

Maybe not the specific like this one belonged to somebody.

Or it may be this genre of of artifact represents a certain era or represents a certain cross section of culture.

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Also, I have the opportunity to work at the Reese Museum at ETSUA.

Cool story there.

They've actually gave me a scholarship to work with them.

So that's kind of how I ended up at beautiful ETSU in the graduate studies program.

But to work with those artifacts and and to bring those stories to life, it's pretty powerful and you know kind of on a on a business standpoint of that too.

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I I don't mean to to jump ahead of your your plan.

Discussion.

No, you're fine.

To be able to make a living at that and to be able to bring in the economic aspect of that, it's pretty cool too, because it's it's a niche market and you know, there's a small subculture of the population that enjoys those sorts of things enough to spend hard earned money on them.

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So you got to figure out, you know, the ways of the market, the the things that are selling.

Unless you're actually in that market, you don't realize how hard it can actually be to stay ahead of the market.

What it is today is not what it was weeks or just a few months ago.

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And we're talking antique market.

Correct, absolutely.

Yeah.

So, so you got to know what's selling well now you got to know what was selling well, you got to, you got to be able to see ahead of the curve just all aspects of business that would be related to any other sector can be applied to the selling of antiques and collectibles but.

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Which is very, very interesting to me because obviously in in, you know, like new commerce, that's everything that technology companies are doing.

That's everything, everybody.

'S trying to stay.

Yeah, everybody's trying to stay ahead.

So it's funny to me that even in something as old as as antiquing that you still have to look at those, those economic factors, very intriguing to me, very intriguing because technology companies are doing that every single day by developing you know, new TV's, new phones, new etcetera, etcetera.

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And you're still doing that with things that have already been made and around for?

Many, many years not only been made and been around, you mentioned something off camera that I want to bring in.

Here is the old stuff.

The old stuff was not built to throw away right.

It was built to last.

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It was built very well and a lot of cases by today's standards would be considered probably over engineered.

But they were also, they were also simple, like I have AI, have an old Massey tractor and we were troubleshooting it the other day and my father-in-law said, look Jared, it's either fuel.

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Fire or air?

Yep.

Is it internal combustion?

Yes, I mean, so I mean, you're not having to worry about like programming with the computer or troubleshooting a whole bunch of wiring and everything else?

Like you are the programming because you have to figure out those those combination of variables there.

Yes.

Like, I don't know.

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I'm drawn to to the simplicity of the old stuff.

But at the same time, like, I think I tried and make myself like in that era and it's like, OK, this didn't exist.

What about the mind that made?

This, yes, absolutely.

It didn't exist, you know.

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So it's not like you're making a better mousetrap.

No, by George, you're making the mousetrap, You know, it's like, so there were some very, very impressive minds of.

Of latter days.

Well, what's funny is, is if you think about the great minds and the great inventors of of history, and I'm talking way far back, a lot of those dudes were suppressed because their stuff was too good and that's not good for business.

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You think about it now again, companies do not make products to last.

They make them to be replaced because replaceable products are good for new reoccurring.

Consumers, you got a.

Reoccurring problem that means you've got reoccurring customers.

So there were many, many great minds that were suppressed at the time.

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True, because their stuff was too good for business.

Designed obsolescence, yeah.

Beautiful.

That's a big term.

And and you don't see that in as much in in vintage stuff then that's why there I do have a sub market of people who love old stuff who buy it to use.

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Now I'll show you some examples of that, or give you some examples the case pocket knife.

Oh my gosh.

People want a case pocket knife from the 70s and earlier because they were made with carbon steel that sharpens and stays sharp.

Now they're made with stainless steel that looks pretty but will not hold an edge.

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Other examples are Pyrex bolts.

Pyrex bowls are extremely expensive now because there is a mid century modern design to them.

Yet they're almost bulletproof.

Unless you intentionally break them, they're not going to break.

They're going to melt, they're not going to give you cancer.

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Those sorts of things.

People.

People still like those sort of things to use old furniture.

What about cast iron?

Oh, absolutely cast iron.

I've seen a big resurgence, at least in my circle of like.

At least on social media.

I might do cast iron, Cast iron.

Early cast iron, not modern cast iron.

Actually a little side note.

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Cast iron from the 50s, Griswold and Wagner from the 50s was used, was made actually from a lot of times scrapped military implements.

That's cool.

Ships, you know, ships that were sure.

Yeah, it.

Had to go somewhere.

I was gonna say if it's seaworthy, it's definitely ovenworthy.

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Yeah, and you know they forge it enough to where it's exactly what they need and and tempered and whatever, but but yeah, people will will pay four times as much from for a pan from 1950 as opposed to.

Well, heck, even even the case knives my my dad still has one of my granddaddy's case knives.

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It's a super long thin blade and it's even thinner now because it's been sharpened 4,000,000 times.

Started out as a as a normal point of blade, but now it's literally like as thin as a pencil.

But my dad still uses it daily.

Daily.

So you mentioned, you mentioned history, you mentioned specifically you're you're kind of studying Appalachian history.

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I think I love.

I love our area, and maybe it's because we're local, but I hear the term red redneck ingenuity, right?

The redneck, the local Appalachian family.

Honestly, it probably had to do with lack of means, but they were so resourceful.

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Absolutely.

You'll see some things where it's like total one off because Papa had to do this, that and this just to make this thing work again.

Whatever.

I don't know.

That whole thing of our area and the people who settled this area and made this area what it is today were so I mean true.

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They were really intelligent and very resourceful.

Well, you know what one of the biggest factors in ingenuity is, don't you?

Limitation limitation brings on big ingenuity.

Yeah.

That that's why our, our people, the the Appalachian people were so intuitive because we didn't have a lot historically.

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So through through, like you say, through that lack of having whatever resources, materials, whatever, we came up with waste.

So limitations at that point in time breed ingenuity, Yeah.

Well, they say, what is it?

Necessity is the let's cut this 'cause I can't think of the quote.

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I can't think of the saying.

Yeah, you're close.

But that's not it either.

It's something is the motherhood of invention.

Necessity is the motherhood of invention or something like that.

It's it's basically you have a problem.

So you have to come up with a you.

Have to come up with a solution, but anyway, we're.

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Blanking this morning.

But yeah, I mean the whole area, Super resourceful.

They didn't throw things away and they couldn't a lot of cases just run down to the store and replace it, fix it, whatever.

They had to figure out a way right then and there in the field to fix it, to keep things going and I I love that about this area.

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And it wasn't a matter.

Often times it was no matter of convenience.

It was a matter of survival.

If I don't get this crop in the ground, it won't grow and I won't be able to support my family.

Right.

True.

So, you know, it's one of those things that if you have to when it, you know, when it's a matter of life and death, Oh yeah, you're going to figure something out and.

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Go.

And that's that's a lot about the region.

Trial by fire, so I was.

Oddly enough, I took a photo of the Binberg plant up in Elizabethton and I'd always been fascinated by just.

I love old abandoned buildings and they look really cool, especially of that age, of the industrial age and just I love the architecture of it, how things were just so well built.

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But anyways, I was doing a little bit of research and I didn't realize it was a German company that came and they made a radon.

But what they ended up finding in the Appalachian region was that the labor force was very reliable, but they caught on really quick.

And I think that's a really common misconception on the outside looking in Appalachian, you know, everybody the joke of.

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We're on the front porch with our washing machines.

Yeah, we don't have enough sense to get out of rain.

We're probably married to our sister.

All these things right?

About two.

Teeth.

If you if you just knew how, how intelligent the people here are.

Oh yeah, and just how how logical they think.

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It's the Dadburn farmers in our area.

They they don't.

They don't exude like great mind at times, but when you start talking to one of them, Oh my gosh, they are geniuses.

Common sense is what they've got.

Exactly.

They have common sense.

They have common sense that's actually applicable to daily tasks versus versus, you know, the most educated minds.

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Yeah, absolutely.

I do want to kind of segue into this because your your love of antiquing obviously started at A at a young age and it truly is a passion.

I believe that you have a passion for it just from the outside looking in.

How did you turn that passion then into a business model?

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So I I think I know how you eventually became back porch antiques, but take us through that story because now we have the passion and you're able to turn it into a business.

What?

What did that process look like?

OK, so this goes back a little bit further than you might think.

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Dude, I was, I was selling stuff in elementary school.

Yeah, OK.

You know, I was the guy that.

You've always been a dealer.

We weren't a dealer.

I knew that that if I had something somebody else wanted and I can pay 1/4 for it and sell it for $0.50 that I could make capitalism absolutely capitalism.

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Is part of the hustle.

But you know, and and there's a fine line of ethics, we'll talk a little bit about that in a minute.

But so I I started my eBay business when I was still in high school.

So I've been using the World Wide Web to finance my endeavors since really the eBay inception.

24:51

Man had gotten on that eBay train then.

Yeah, and and it.

It has evolved, there have been times not for the good, in my opinion.

I still use it often.

So that developed into a, you know, a supplement for ministry because like I told you, I went straight into ministry out of college.

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Yeah.

And, you know, ministry doesn't pay well sometimes.

Yeah, especially kind of at the beginning.

I was well taken care of at certain times in my career.

But you know, and starting out it, you know, ministry is one of those things that if if you can't do it for nothing, you shouldn't do it for everything.

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So you've gotta, you've gotta figure out a way to make a living.

And you know the Apostle Paul was a tent maker, so EJ can sell junk.

And well, here's the reason you're not paid.

Ministry.

Not paid well is 'cause I don't think your pants are, like, torn and black enough.

Your shirt is also not long enough.

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You gotta have the long like raw edge.

Gotta have the that's where the big bucks are.

I got you.

I got you.

But anyway, so, so that started out, you know that that line of work for me started out on eBay, you know?

And back then there was a thing probably before Y'all's time, called the East Tennessee Trading Post.

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I remember, y'all remember the Trading Post?

It came out on Wednesday.

It was a newspaper.

Yeah.

Came out on Wednesdays.

Vaguely.

I remember that.

Selling Cars, Tractors, Antiques.

On Craigslist before Craigslist.

It was before.

The paper.

Form and then developed Craigslist.

And now Facebook.

Market Now Facebook marketplace.

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Beautiful, but somewhere along the lines of 2000, dating himself.

Here. 2015.

OK.

So I started selling in a booth top setting in in a retail retail setting.

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I met Terry and Terrence Reed, who had started the Back Porch Antiques and 2016, I think, and I joined them later that year.

Terrence, also the son of Terry.

Me and Jared are good friends with.

Terrence also has the art of the hustle.

26:51

Oh dude, he's done his whole life.

He's he's an expert of local furniture.

Oh, my expert.

Of little pie safes.

I see That man and the Crocs.

Oh my gosh.

Yes, he's a wonderful antiquing mind.

He is a He's an expert.

An all a real expert character too.

He's a dude, he's a dude.

So anyway, I joined those guys and then they they kind of want to focus on family a little bit more and not not do that.

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So I ended up buying the business from them and that was in 2020 and it's at that point that I decided that I wanted to take that business into an ownership instead of a just a kind of a presence.

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They had laid the groundwork, they had designed the foundation, but I wanted to focus on bringing a quality product to a much larger audience.

There you go.

So that's when I started incorporating a heavy social media presence.

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And in both the Facebook world, Instagram world, not long after, we fell into YouTube.

There you go.

And YouTube has been good to us.

Our greatest love.

Our greatest love, really.

When, when we first started out.

I've got a friend, Daniel Raider.

28:01

He's my guru.

We love Daniel.

And Daniel is a good one.

He's good dude, very smart, very intelligent, has.

Good looking too good looking dude.

He's got the he's got the detail oriented mind that can make that work.

Well, he's a CPA for a living, correct?

A number.

He's a numbered.

Guy Yeah, he's a number.

Finance.

Yeah, definitely.

28:17

Finally counting I think.

He's recently evolved into COO.

Nice goodness.

I don't.

I.

Don't think he's bragging about that, but I'll brag on him, I was.

Going to say we'll brag for him.

That's little claps for that.

Got a seat side your name?

Little claps, that's that's big time.

So anyway, when we started the YouTube channel, he's like, you think we got a chance?

28:33

I was like, I don't know, let's try it.

And go.

But I knew that just by you know watching other YouTube channels and and I see these guys I was like listen if these guys have 4200 thousand million views talking like that not knowing what they're talking about, I don't think we got a shot.

28:50

So it's you know we started just like everybody else with a cell phone and he he's developed into and and he takes care of my, you know my production.

He's got a couple cameras and some lights and stuff, but but again, started with a cell phone.

How many?

Subscribers, did you start with zero?

29:06

Yeah, really.

It happens like that.

It happens like.

Yeah, and then I sent the invite to all my family and then by like 2 days later we had 14.

Beautiful.

So using your network.

Everybody starts at the bottom using your.

Network.

But now another thing worth noting is that we had had developed a significant following on Facebook and leveraged those followers when you were able to, yeah to start bingo to start that YouTube channel.

29:31

I remember having discussions with Daniel about that migration process 'cause he was asking us like, do do you think these people will actually come over and watch?

Videos.

I'm like, you can get them over there.

Absolutely.

All day long.

If if you can get them to understand, just to hit that subscribe and maybe even the bell, maybe even the bell notification.

Maybe the bell.

There you go, man, he told me.

29:46

He said make sure to remind them.

Yes, but.

But it's very important.

And those people, they will be a we call it the living room.

With YouTube, you have a living room.

Those will be avid weekly daily watchers of your sitcom.

Basically your sitcom of of Back Porch Antiques which by the way link in description if you've not seen Back Porch Antiques YouTube channel at.

30:08

The time of filming this 4.1.

Three K 41130 Subs.

That's impressive.

Little clap for that.

That is impressive.

That is very impressive.

Beautiful.

So, so you started with zero.

I did like everyone else, but I want you to speak to to you being willing to put in the work knowing that YouTube is is a slow play.

30:33

It is a slow play, is a is a longer longer game in the return space.

What?

How did you how did you keep?

Because there's mud.

First off, like you're getting super low views, super low engagement early on.

30:48

Takes a little bit of mental for it.

You've got to know the finish line is is is out there.

I agree.

And and to us it was, it was multifaceted.

Okay, I told you I was a lover of history.

So what One area of my concern with YouTube is obviously promoting my business advertising of its own, getting things out there to be bought.

31:10

But the other and kind of the other half of that is I wanted to document these pieces for history.

Document them properly.

Yeah, absolutely.

And there are, there are a lot of people in our local region that know about a lot of the things that I talk about.

But man, I've got followers across the world that want to learn about the primitive antiques or the specific areas.

31:32

So I knew that even if it wasn't financially rewarding right off the bat, that I was documenting these stories and and these many history lessons for posterity because it's going to be there.

There are people who are still watching our first videos from a couple years ago and and now they're beginning to do, you know, to borrow a Dave Ramsey tone, the snowball effect, you know it it it's rolling and and we're getting getting lots of views.

31:59

I would say at about six months in is when I was knocked off my seat when somebody called from like New York City and said, hey, I saw your YouTube video and I saw this thing you've got on there.

Do you still have is it, is it for sale?

Well, yes it is.

32:17

And then I was like, it hit me right in the mouth.

I'm like, I just made 50 bucks that I wouldn't have made if they hadn't saw my YouTube channel.

Bingo.

This is the glorious thing of YouTube that So what?

You're what you're talking about.

We know that in the industry is Evergreen content.

32:34

It's a hard sale, though.

Evergreen content's a hard sale, but here's the thing, that's a video that you made one time.

And let's just say it's a video that they watch.

And it's, we'll just say, three years old.

You made it one time three years ago, right?

And you're receiving dividends from it now.

And it's not just going to pay you dividends one time, but it's going to have that same opportunity three years from now and then three years from then, and then three years from.

32:54

So Evergreen content is so important, especially in the antiquing.

World.

Oh my gosh.

That content's never going to, no pun intended, Grow old and see what you say there.

It's never going to age or antique, because those antiques will still be antiques, you know, until until the Lord comes back.

33:09

But Evergreen content is so important, so you have now seen the direct benefits of that long play mentality because somebody who would never have walked through your storefront.

Yeah, they're in New York.

They're in New York.

So here's what YouTube has done for me.

33:25

YouTube has developed me professionally.

YouTube has taken me into a a customer base that I would have never, never experienced otherwise.

There are literally people who will.

And and by the way, I'll preface it with this, YouTube has made my community and my fellow sector salespeople my fellow antique stores.

33:48

It.

It has.

It's helped further develop the local market I was.

Going to say it's probably raised the value.

Hadn't it?

It's raised the value of the market.

There are people who and and again I don't.

I don't mean to brag.

If it's good, it's God if it's bad.

I messed it up.

But.

There are people.

34:04

If that resonated, please write that down.

Bingo.

It's.

Kind of my tag phrase.

I told my wife to put that on my tombstone one day.

Beautiful.

But anyway, there are people who will take many vacations just to come to the Back Porch Antiques in Greenville, Tennessee.

What?

Because they saw it on YouTube.

34:21

There you go.

So not only does that offer sales for me, it develops lasting friendships, but it also develops economy for our local area.

Bingo, They're here.

Guess what they're going to have?

To eat?

Yep, they're eating.

They're staying in a hotel.

They're visiting the other antiques.

They're probably going to go to other.

34:37

Markets and and I have a I'm big about, you know, what's that term, you know, when the tides rise, all the ships rise.

So I have a little flyer at my store that lists all of our local stores.

There you go.

So when somebody comes in, it's like, hey, go check these guys out too.

So you see them as collaborators versus versus?

34:55

Competition absolutely.

Well and and see there's a a regional economic thought there too.

If if people see Greenville, Tennessee as a Mecca for antiques true then then there's going to I'm going to get more business because of that.

So yeah and the tide rises.

35:11

All the ships rise.

I love.

It.

So it's all good and you know, we do business together.

I buy stuff from them, they buy stuff from me and and it's all all good.

But so there's that aspect and there there is an online sales aspect.

I will often times note the fact that hey guys, you know the things that you've seen on my YouTube channel are for sale.

35:32

So if something you're interested in or you love it, just give us a call and often times people call me and say, hey, you got that, can you ship it?

Yeah, I mean, I've shipped stuff to Europe.

Wow.

I've shipped stuff actually to Africa, and it takes a long time for stuff to get to Africa.

I would imagine so.

But but I mean, it's really cool.

35:50

So do they actually purchase from your website or do they call in and and you just make sure you have in stock?

How it's an over the phone purchase.

You know, it's credit martial inventory.

The top things do.

You ever have the aspirations of maybe doing like an Etsy or something like that for the for the online?

It would be difficult to keep up with inventory.

36:06

I would.

Imagine.

Yeah, because most of our stuff is one off.

You know, I don't have two of them and you know it moves so quickly that it's.

Probably by the time you post it, it would be.

Sold in store and I've got I've got 42 vendors in my store and that's an aspect.

A lot of the stuff in my store does belong to me but I also have 42 vendors.

36:25

A little bit of a, you know a business note.

Some business talk.

There's some things that in an antique store if you're looking to aspire, you're an antique store owner.

Learn from my mistakes, but don't just let any vendors in.

36:41

Figure out what you want to be as a store and focus those vendors.

As for us, we're not really interested in kind of your Hobby Lobby type stuff.

I don't have enough square footage for that.

So I want actual antiques, actual vintage things.

So those are the vendors that I focus on.

You mean you don't want distressed dressers?

36:59

I don't wash, you know.

And milk painted.

Chippy paint.

You know, modern chalk paint.

Chalk paint.

Sorry, chalkers.

Yeah, there's an awesome market for that.

Don't hate me?

Yeah, but we just don't have enough square footage to cater to everything.

That's important too, because again, and I'm about to go full Pentecostal and start running around this this house right now because you you've talked about, you know, using social media.

37:19

You've talked about leveraging an audience to migrate them to a new platform.

Now you're getting into the topic of niching and and I did not.

I did not realize in the antique world because I thought in the antique world, you know we want anything old if.

It's old, it's gold.

Right.

But you're saying there there is a benefit to to niching and finding what you see.

37:35

I'm I'm about to throw a fit right now.

See our ours.

Kind of known for for primitive antiques and really 19 century.

Now we do have a couple mid century dealers which is pretty hot but we're we're heavy on 19th century furniture and and one of the reasons I've I've marketed to that sector is because of what I mentioned earlier I've got a lot of out of towners buying property here and moving in and they want it to look like Appalachia.

38:00

So I sell them Appalachia.

What?

That's funny, too, Because again, we talked about this off camera a little bit.

And even here on camera, Appalachia is typically seen as a little bit of the butt of jokes at times.

But now we've got people that they want to be us, yeah.

Did You Know?

They see us and they want to be.

38:16

US A little bit of history.

Some of the most valuable antique furniture sold that was made in Greene County in in Little in Horse Creek, there was a furniture maker called Bergner and Bergner pieces will fetch over $100,000 on.

38:37

Occasion I have burglars in my family.

Yeah, I bet you could trace that back, yeah.

They're they're all makers.

They're all makers.

Yeah, you need a piece of burglar furniture.

Come see.

Me.

I probably can't afford it, but.

But yeah, and and another thing that I've learned on YouTube as well.

There's a little bit of of branding.

38:54

Oh yeah.

And and one of my things and and it I don't always but one of my things when I started when I took ownership of the business I I wanted people to see me and and remind it remind them of the store.

39:09

So I always wear overalls and a lot of my.

Videos remember that I.

Remember that And a lot of my videos, I'm wearing overalls.

So and and I've had people come into the store and they say, is this the store owned by the guy on the overalls?

It is.

I'm like the brain recognition.

39:26

Yeah, so I mean just just stuff like that.

But you know it it started out as kind of something fun and just testing the water.

But YouTube's been good to me.

I think, I think you mentioned something, you know, you initially wanted it to preserve the history because history is important.

39:42

We, we, we talk about this all the time.

Have you ever played the telephone game or it's called the telephone game, like we with kids in a circle?

Yeah, right.

By the time it gets to the other end, it's normally nowhere near what it started out as.

Different story.

You're kind of the same way, in my opinion, with history.

39:58

Yeah, if you're not catching it first hand.

You're going to catch a watered down, maybe not totally accurate second hand version and the translation doesn't come there.

It's going to be third hand, all those things.

So it's you're one basically, literally one heartbeat away from that story not being able to be told again in that particular facet.

40:17

So that's really important.

So confession time involving YouTube.

I have had to go back upon learning further information on certain pieces and put in some comments or notes in at the YouTube video and say, hey, a little correction here.

40:33

I might have been a little bit off on my description.

I think that's OK though.

That shows your audience that you're transparent and care like.

And there's truth there.

So.

There's truth there and and I think at least for me as as a a lover of all things YouTube, I I find it very, very comforting whenever a creator does come back and say hey I I was wrong when I said this but I want to give you the proper information out to me as an audience.

40:55

I'm like this, this dudes being transparent with me is being honest with me.

So that that in further invests me in that Channel at that point in time because I know that hey, we're all human, we're going to make mistakes.

But if you're willing to correct that, I trust you, you know?

Well, yeah, I agree.

41:12

One thing, I don't know a lot about our algorithms and things like that.

Concerning changing every day, every second, that's.

Also, why Daniels my guy?

That's Daniels my guy on that.

But one thing I have learned about that at first, if you're going to have a YouTube channel, there's going to be some hecklers.

Oh yeah.

There's going to be some haters and you know, Daniel told me right off the bat.

41:31

He's like, don't worry about it.

He's like a comments, a comment, you know, you know, that's numbers.

That's engagement.

That's engagement.

So we have a lot of fun with it.

Had a guy the other day, it's kind of side notes, funny.

It's like the only I was wearing a red shirt and overalls so the only reason that I clicked on this is because the dude looked like Mario.

Nice.

41:47

So my response was next week I'll wear green though.

I'll be.

Beautiful, beautiful and you are going to have hecklers though but the the thing that I've noticed too with your guys's channel and and again this goes back to your mind and and then the greatness of Daniel's mind.

You guys have kept a very, very consistent look across the YouTube page.

42:04

Intentional.

Very intentional, because again, algorithms enjoy that.

Viewers enjoy that.

They know whenever they come to your page.

Oh yeah.

It's a backboard antiques video.

So you guys have done a great job with that.

Just on the outside looking in and giving you an unsolicited audit here.

Very good, very good on the brand.

42:20

Thanks man.

I don't know that it was intentional, but we tried that.

That part, I think, was intentional.

I was gonna say I know with Daniel, that was definitely intentional.

I wanna, I wanna pivot us here.

So you're talking about YouTube.

We've talked about how you got into antiques.

This is faith and frame.

So I want I want to basically.

42:37

We are sitting here with a preacher.

We are sitting here with a preacher.

Preacher, by the way, so.

I think it's important for for people, especially Christian people, to understand that whether you're on a YouTube channel and physically being watched or not, people are always watching you.

42:54

Oh yeah, And so your life is constantly being.

You're under the microscope.

Yeah, by someone.

Especially if you're a self-proclaimed Christian.

People are watching you and so they pay attention to how you react to situations.

How you react to those hecklers EJ?

43:10

How you react?

To those Anybody to jump off a bridge yet?

Well, there you go.

That's a good thing.

I I would kind of like to get your input, 'cause obviously you started as youth pastor and I think now you're.

I'm actually pastor.

I'm not, no.

You're senior pastor now, aren't?

You.

I was.

I'm actually worshipping at the First Church of God in Greenville now.

43:27

Gotcha.

But.

But you have pastored, I mean you have pastored.

So, but I think where Jared's going with this is you're always under the microscope and especially as someone again with the the resume that you have, you know you you're a public figure here locally, store owner, YouTube again overall good guy.

43:46

So projecting that to to the masses, you're going to be under the microscope.

So where you where were you going?

Through.

Well, so my whole thing is like, OK, we our pastor calls it, you know lifestyle ministry, right.

It's like I want someone to my my prayer is that even if I just interact with you across the counter, you're the person checking me out at the Kwikstop.

44:05

Whatever.

I want something that I did, something that I said to to be different and and to where at the very least it's thought, you know, that guy was different.

You know, I watched this dude cut him off, da da, da, da and he ended it, you know what I'm saying?

Like, he's cool with it.

Is he's so happy when people are heckling him on?

44:20

You know, and so you know, people see it like when when you're, when you're in a valley of life, like maybe you just experience a death, like the way that you're able to to navigate those waters.

People are watching you.

Oh, yeah.

And so I think I would like to hear your perspective on the importance of knowing that someone's always watching you.

44:37

So that's a very good point and I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to touch on it.

And you go as deep as you want.

You don't even have to just barely touch on it, yeah.

Well, I appreciate that.

So current level of ministry is, is I get to serve as the chaplain for the Greenville Fire Department.

44:54

I really enjoy working with emergency service.

Golly, I forgot that on the rescue.

That's OK.

No worries.

Department.

Yeah, but.

And I enjoy working with those guys, but through that I also get to see often times people at their absolute worst.

45:12

I get to participate sometimes in things like death notifications, total loss of of homes, things like that and and even and I got to be careful how I say this because I don't want to be.

I want to be truthful, but even at at people's worst moments, and sometimes, especially at people's worst moments, they're they're crying out for something real, right?

45:37

And you and I as Christians.

Solid to.

That you and I as Christians know that that's Christ, that that the truth of the matter is in the one who died for us.

But I get extreme amounts of opportunity to show that in the line of work that I'm in.

45:53

And the reason is, is that I am oftentimes invited to people's homes to buy out estates or to to buy out buy things from them that they have no idea about.

Right.

OK, And it I'll preface my story with saying this, if you're going to live right in this line of work, it will cost you money, right?

46:20

But what amount of profit is worth perjuring your soul for?

There's scripture for that.

The answer is zero.

So.

So there are times.

And again, if it's good, it's God.

If it's bad, I messed it up.

So I'm, you know, I'm not taking any glory for this.

But if you're going to be in this line of work, if you're going to be a picker and you're going to be a Christian, I would even go so far as to say if you're not a Christian and you're going to be in this line of work and you want to do it for more than a year or two, you would prescribe to this train of thought.

46:48

Some ethics.

If somebody is uncomfortable with with an offer you've given them for something, back up and make sure they're comfortable before you make the deal.

An example was I told talked a little bit earlier about Harmon pottery.

I went to a guy's house friend of mine and the reason he called me he said, EJI know you'll tell me the truth.

47:05

He's like, absolutely, you know, and of course my running joke is, you know all the profit in the world's not worth going to hell over and everybody jokes about it.

We have a good time.

But he had a Harmon pot there and I said, hey, what about that pot?

And he's like 20 bucks and it's yours.

I was like, no, I can't do that.

And he's like, why not?

47:21

And I was like, it's worth a lot more than it was like 500, Yeah.

He said, what would you give me?

Said, I'll give you 500 bucks for it.

And he about fell over.

Yeah.

And.

And again, I'm I'm not saying that to brag on me, but what I'm saying is if I would have bought that for $20 and then he would have came into my store and saw five. 100.

47:37

Dollar tag, probably like 650.

You know, he would have lost all faith in me, which it's not about me.

But then he would have said, you know that guy claims to be Jesus.

You heard your witness.

Absolutely.

So you got to be really careful.

Also, if you get the opportunity, if if you accidentally hit a good lick, and I've done that before, you know buy out a bunch and and you know, and there's a piece in there that's worth $500 and you paid 20 bucks for the whole lot, go make it right a little bit.

48:03

There you go.

I think there's something to that though.

You know, our our preacher John, he talked about this actually very recently.

He said.

You're not always going to come out ahead on every deal.

You don't have to.

Either you don't have to.

You don't have to come out ahead on at at the end of the day the Lord's going to take care of you.

But I I think the that instant profit though again going just back to this whole episode about the long play mentality had had that man walked into your store and let's just say he saw 650 on the price tag for that piece of pottery and you bought it for 20.

48:31

Not only is that going to affect him, he's probably never going to buy from you again, but strictly on a business level, he's going to go tell all his buddies.

Let's say, let's say for this sake of this instance, that that guy's not a believer.

Yeah, I'll say not that was the case.

So he's not a believer.

Not a spiritual level.

48:46

You've lost all.

Probably a believer, but not, you know, heavily involved in in church.

But on spiritual level, you've lost all belief in the one that you claim to be representing at that point in time.

Trickle that down to the business level, you have then lost future reoccurring business not only from him but from his network 'cause he's going to tell all of his friends.

49:02

So at the end of the day, did did you really lose money by doing the right thing?

No, I don't think so.

I mean I made profitable and and I'm upfront with people I said, you know I do this for a living.

I have, I have connections.

I have marketing abilities.

I've paid a lot of money to get here.

I've paid a lot of time to get here.

I have to make a little money as long as you understand that.

49:18

And and I've got a, you know I've got a percentage rule that I go by or try to work off in my head and and those sorts of things.

But that guy specifically, you know, he and I are still friends, but.

And there are people in this line of work that will justify that action by saying, well, he priced it.

True.

49:33

If I hadn't bought it, somebody else would have.

That's a fact.

Yes, but.

But you were the one that he was interacting with that day.

To go a little biblical, you know, just because that's the way the world would behave, right?

Doesn't mean that's the way I says Christians should behave.

49:48

Because we're not of this world, right?

So we don't behave and copy that Romans chapter 12 kind of mentality.

Well, and again, he wasn't interacting with the other guys that day.

He was interacting with EJ, right?

Claims to be a Christian.

And again, you know, I may not make as much money in the long run but hey, there's no price worth, you know, perjuring your witness for, right?

50:08

I agree with that.

In this line of work, if I can, if I can caution anybody and and Satan will tempt you, there's there's going to be those times when money's tight and then that.

You know.

Amazing deal comes in, then you can just.

You get $1000 piece for 5 bucks.

50:24

Yeah, but you gotta, you know, you got to do what's right.

Yeah.

So at at the end of the day.

Like I said, people, people are always watching.

Yeah.

And and you probably even I don't know the the the multiplication but at least doubly as a as a as a pastor or even more scrutinized and watched by the public.

50:45

I mean, so like they're always waiting on you to, I'll call it.

Mess up?

Yeah.

So that they can say, ha, got it, you know, And it's like, and I'm going to, I'm going to mess up.

I was going to say for anyone who want is waiting on Garrett Benjamin where he's going to mess up pretty soon.

So you ain't going to be waiting long.

Don't.

Worry right so but but it's really important because and and and I'll I guess we can round it out with this like I've I've been to funerals where not really I'm not really sure where where that person stood and those are really sad and tense funerals.

51:18

Yeah, those are tough.

But the most the happiest funeral, if you can even put those two words together.

Absolutely.

The happiest funeral I've ever been at was Johnny Max, one of our deacons, and Luke Buchanan and Luke Buchanan, the the freedom sitting in the congregation and and and yes, there were tears.

51:39

Yes, there was sadness.

But.

I think a lot of those were tears of joy, though, because they.

John got up and he goes, Johnny Macdunn preached his funeral with his life.

You know what I mean?

Like it's it's already there.

He lived it.

And so there's no question, but I guess what I'm ultimately trying to say is that, you know, you've got to always be aware that people are watching you and and and they're you may open up an opportunity that you didn't even know from a witness perspective, the way that you respond to the situation.

52:10

They see that you responded differently.

He's like Dang, he didn't, he didn't get all upset and cuss this dude out and something different about this guy, you know.

And so it's just, it's just planting seeds that you may not even be the harvester of.

Yeah, Johnny Mack made John's job as a preacher.

52:26

Easy that day, folks.

Make your jobs your your preacher's job.

Easy for your funeral.

Don't make him make up stuff.

Yeah, I mean, but, but no.

I mean, he lived it and so it made John's job easy.

I know that's kind of a funny thing, but in all seriousness also too, I can say in in my life personally.

52:42

So I I've known you for a very long time since way back at the at the gym days at the Y was my first encounter with you.

And even back then when I was off in my rebellious phase of of teenage and and high schoolness, you were a good example.

52:58

You may not even know that, but you you are an example and I appreciate that.

And further you know down the years now that we've reconnected through business through YouTube, through you know just both being from the area you you continue that you have been very consistent and I can say that again from the outside looking in.

Again, if it's good, it's God.

53:13

If it's bad, I messed it up.

Well and and we, I appreciate you though for for being that example and letting him live.

The mind, yeah.

Like I said you you may plant a seed.

It's very likely that you'll plant a seed that you won't be the harvester.

But I'm sure hope so.

So, so, so think, think about though, like, you know it's it's hypothetical, but think about you get to heaven one day.

53:33

Some person you've never thought about knowing.

Well, except it's like thank you.

You know what I mean?

I don't know.

It's just it's something to always, always, always be aware of.

Yeah, yeah.

In ministry, especially student ministry over time.

53:51

I was on staff at Cedar Creek as their youth pastor for almost 10 years.

A lot of youth can't went.

Through there.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, there would there'd be times we'd have 150 on a Wednesday night.

Nice.

And you know, a little little country church and.

Well, you're now, I'm going to call him your YouTube business partner, Daniel.

54:10

That was the church he grew.

Up that was.

A pupil?

Absolutely.

He and his wife and many others.

But there have also been those that just fell off the wagon, you know and and as a type A personality who desires perfection and is very much human.

54:27

I see that and it's easy to say, oh man, I failed that kid.

But then I realized and I'm.

I'm convicted with the fact that you know I delivered hopefully what I feel like God laid on my heart and and and I think they'll never forget that because those spiritual moments that they they had, they were real.

54:48

Now there might have been you know there might be times that that they question that or maybe they turn their backs on that without getting too theological.

But they'll never forget it.

Those are unforgettable moments.

So just to have been a part of of that, invaluable.

55:07

The seats still in the ground?

Think about think about like forest floors.

Tons of seeds in the ground.

Oh, gotcha.

Yeah.

Right.

Seed may literally be in the ground for years.

Decades.

Yeah, all it needs.

Little water, little bit sunlight to hit it.

55:23

Little bit of input.

Boom A.

Little bit of input, EJ.

We cannot thank you enough for being a guest.

Thanks for having me.

I'm honored.

I appreciate it.

I don't think I'm going to go ahead and make a prediction here.

I don't believe this will be our last encounter with EJ here on faith and frames.

55:39

I would love to have you back for some other discussions.

Sounds fun.

Tip of the iceberg on a lot of things.

Yes, yes, tip of the iceberg on a lot of things, but we do, we appreciate you.

Again, thank you for being the example here locally, nationally since you are at YouTube sensation for being the example for everyone even outside of Greene County.

55:55

Jared, before we do totally tell everybody goodbye, there are some things that our listeners can do that we greatly appreciate.

They certainly help the podcast.

What are those things?

If you've enjoyed E JS episode here, what are some things they can do?

Well, First off, head on down to Back Porch Antiques.

56:12

It's across from the new ECU building.

Spend all of your money.

Actually spend all your money.

Spend a lot of maybe you're just maybe you're just maybe you can offer local historical facts on pieces.

That maybe you.

Don't even.

Know and we've got a loafing corner.

You.

You come, we'll talk about old stuff.

There you go, beautiful.

A loaf and corner.

56:28

So are you Northerners or anyone who is not educated loafering?

Oh, that's a good one.

Yeah, loafering is a a pastime that we certainly enjoy here, which is basically just doing nothing but sitting and talking.

We do a lot of that.

We do a lot of that.

But yeah, go check out EJ, check out his YouTube channel.

56:46

Support him in any way.

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Much obliged in regards to us feedback.

Any and all feedback give us a rating, give us a review, let us know what you liked, what you didn't like, any of those things.

We appreciate it.

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We read all the comments and they mean the world to us.

Even the bad ones.

Absolutely.

Sometimes those are the best ones.

We want them all.

We want them all, Jared.

Here's the hard part.

Nope.

We'll see you later.

Y'all have a good one.

You too.

Thank you.